Revisiting Rudy's shoulder injury
Old 12-01-2013, 05:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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When Rudy got blocked by Mozgov and went down in agony, an alarm bell went off in my head. What if this guy's shoulder never fully recovered from his injury? I've had problems with capsulitis, also known as frozen shoulder, for the last year. It has brought moments of some of the worst pain i've ever experienced, which is something like what Rudy appeared to be going throughafter that play. I also discovered just how complex the shoulder is, with so many muscles, and the capsule needing to work in unison. If muscles start working against each other then it really limits overall mobility with twinges of pain.

Looking at how Rudy so often makes quick shooting motions without follow-through, misses layups on awkward extensions, makes a ton of inaccurate passes, and lacks good control on his dribble, it all points to a shoulder that is not operating with a good complete range. I think we got ourselves a big whopping load of damaged goods, and now get to see this guy fighting with his own limitations.

This is an interview with a specialist as Rudy was about to return from his injury.

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I caught back up with Dr. Bal Raj – who was named one of the “Top Orthopedic Surgeons in Los Angeles and a Leading Physician of the World” by the International Association of Orthopedic Surgeons, and someone who has a lot of experience with high-profile athletes – to talk shoulder injuries. Since they are so complicated, sometimes they’re tough to come back from. Gay will be back to 100% for the start of next season, but they’re different for everyone.

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Dime: With Rudy Gay, he had surgery earlier this spring with a left shoulder subluxation. His range of motion isn’t all the way back yet. What makes that injury tough to come back from?
DBR: One of the toughest things for orthopedic surgeons to deal with is instability issues. And subluxation means there is a minor degree of dislocation, means that there is an internal instability of the joints. Once your joint goes forwards or backwards to a point where it’s not functional, you start having pain and inflammation. What makes it tough for us is the shoulder is a multiaxial joint, meaning that it moves in (so many different ways). Surgically, we tighten up one area, what happens is you might have it tightened up in front but also increase the instability in the back. It’s multi-directional.

First of all, the most important thing is finding out exactly what direction his instability is in because it’s not usually just in one direction. It’s usually in two or more directions. Number one. And then number two, we single out as much as we can the best possible conservative treatment, meaning stabilizing their secondary…assessing their secondary stabilizers, namely our pecs, our deltoids in order to react quicker so once they’re back, it perfects them too. Your primary stabilizers, which is your capsule in your joints and your secondary is your muscles.

So in some instances, your secondary stabilizers can stabilize your joint enough that it just absolutely scars down and you don’t require surgery.

So it’s a top scenario…subluxation and instability but what we basically do is we create stability in the appropriate directions involving the ligaments that are responsible for causing the subluxation.

Dime: It seems like it’s kind of a complicated injury to come back with. Is that what you’re saying?
DBR: Yes, the second thing that can happen to is surgically, we want to create a stable shoulder. What happens frequently is we can recreate perfection, so once we stabilize it, it may cause stiffness in the shoulder. So that is one possible and probable side effect. As you know as an athlete, if you’ve got limits (if it’s not all the way back) you’re certainly not going to function at the level you did before.

In stabilizing shoulders, we try to recreate perfection. The problem is is that it’s hard to recreate perfection and more likely than not, we tend to stiffen the shoulder to prevent instability. By stiffening the shoulder and not having your full range of motion, you’re certainly not…as an athlete, you’re not going to function at the level you should be functioning at. If you get a quicker shot or a quicker release, it’s not going to happen as quick. That’s the tricky issue with shoulder injury.

Dime: In basketball, are shoulder injuries normally freak accidents? I know in baseball, they seem to come from overuse.
DBR: In baseball, it’s definitely overuse, especially with pitchers, outfielders, people who throw. In basketball it’s more acute, dramatic accidents and they’re more likely dislocations or subluxations. Definitely, just because of the dynamic nature when you take a shot or you’re struck in different positions. Definitely, you’re more at risk for acute injuries in basketball.

Dime: Is there any difference between the two injuries?
DBR: Yeah overuse is just basically increased inflammation overlying your rotation cuff because of some micro-instability from motion in your joints. Definitely a baseball player’s injury is a lot easier to deal with, entails rehab, physical therapy and possibly surgery, than a basketball player’s because it is an acute, dramatic injury.
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Old 12-01-2013, 06:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't really care anymore even if that's the case, he makes stupid decisions and is major ball hog, I hope he will be gone soon
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Old 12-01-2013, 06:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Yup, the guy doesn't need excuses. It's more than his poor ability to make shots that makes me want to see him go.
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Old 12-01-2013, 06:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
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It's conceivable but I see other reasons for Rudy's struggles

1. Rudy is not as talented as his reputation

Rudy has a few rare talents at SF like athleticism, size and fluidity. However like Demar I feel as a shooter and ballhandler he is not very gifted compared to NBA wings. The effect of shooting is obvious, but the ballhandling also hurts because he can't attack the basket off the dribble as consistently as you'd think with his athleticism. If he was a better shooter defenders would also guard him closer, helping him attack the basket. It's not just about athleticism but how you use it and Rudy's skill problems hurts his ability to use it.

2. Rudy's approach to the game blows

One of the problems with Rudy is he doesn't realize how flawed an offensive player his shooting and ballhandling makes him. His skillset does not justify the volume of shots he takes. Rudy's game roots from liking shooting and liking putting up points too much. Rudy ignores concepts like "If you're in the paint but 4-5 feet away and off balance, throwing up a shot is bad", in addition to the midrange shot jacking. I believe Rudy is a nice guy but just not competitive enough to change his game for the sake of winning. If Rudy was 'reaching his potential' I don't believe he'd be this fantastic offensive player. I believe he'd be more like was Artest was, a player with offensive holes but fantastic defense. If Rudy committed to taking 12-14 FGA a game he'd have way more energy for defense.
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I'm blaming Casey's ISO plays. And Rudy is taking the shit because of it. I'm just calling it. And the reason why I'm pointing at Casey is because every time Rudy has the ball EVERYONE is standing. As if they are ORDERED to watch him.

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he still has terrible shot selection. No amount of healing can help him!
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I agree that he's a dope and plays stupid. After some of his look offs of late, i really don't have any patience left for him. I did not intend to offer any excuses at all. I did hold out some hope that he might develop some degree of better chemistry or become better integrated under another coach perhaps. He does have some positive impacts on the game, and it would be nice to mitigate his shit so that some better team results could happen. If he could just make a couple layups that he otherwise misses, and become just a little more efficient and trustworthy then it would help right down the line. But if his shoulder is effecting him and he's fighting that on top of everything else, then Colangelo really did a hell of a job accumulating garbage players over the years, and there's not much use in hoping for much of anything.
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I agree that he's a dope and plays stupid. After some of his look offs of late, i really don't have any patience left for him. I did not intend to offer any excuses at all. I did hold out some hope that he might develop some degree of better chemistry or become better integrated under another coach perhaps. He does have some positive impacts on the game, and it would be nice to mitigate his shit so that some better team results could happen. If he could just make a couple layups that he otherwise misses, and become just a little more efficient and trustworthy then it would help right down the line. But if his shoulder is effecting him and he's fighting that on top of everything else, then Colangelo really did a hell of a job accumulating garbage players over the years, and there's not much use in hoping for much of anything.
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This is all fine in one regard. MU gets to see close up what parts of the roster are leading us nowhere.
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I'm blaming Casey's ISO plays. And Rudy is taking the shit because of it. I'm just calling it. And the reason why I'm pointing at Casey is because every time Rudy has the ball EVERYONE is standing. As if they are ORDERED to watch him.
Blame Casey all you want, Rudy sucked in Memphis last year too.
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Obviously his shoulder makes him look off wide open teammates too.
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gay is just the guy taking the blame now. He's playing pretty well for us, except for that one major problem. However, that is so easily correctable, unless he's a head case, which by all accounts he's not. All we have to do is stop running the offense through him, he just doesn't have the ability to create offense in an efficient manner. He can still break his own man, but that should be reserved for special situation like end of game isolations etc. Don't make this a staple of our offense.

Defensively, he's rebounding, blocking and generally can impact the game in a major way, especially if he doesn't have to do as much on offense.

Now, if the coach tries this and he doesn't want to fit in that role, then I'm all for throwing him under the bus. As it stands though, I see a guy who is trying pretty hard, but not going in a smart way about it.
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Blame Casey all you want, Rudy sucked in Memphis last year too.
What I'm saying is that I don't believe we've utilized this team at its fullest because of our coach. And because of our current coach there are times where our expectations didnt meet because of the way the coach is handling it. That includes having bad philosophy offensively and defensively. When Rudy came in last season we FINALLY have a clutch player to close and he did numerous times. But it's becoming the go to before 4th quarter hits which is a BAD thing.

I really don't believe that Rudy had the intention of ball hogging for the whole game when our coach doesnt wake up from the fact that we have to share the ball more often. The best ball movement we saw so far was against 76ers where everyone was fully aware and ready that they were playing ball movement.

But as for the Nuggets game most of the time EVERYONE were sitting rocks and its no obvious that Casey drew the ISO plays too many times during closing.

I'm still calling it that Casey is to be blamed and if I'm wrong, hey I'll take pride in my mistake but until I see a good coach in this team and everyone else is playing like shit then we can blow it up with the players.
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I'm blaming Casey's ISO plays. And Rudy is taking the shit because of it. I'm just calling it. And the reason why I'm pointing at Casey is because every time Rudy has the ball EVERYONE is standing. As if they are ORDERED to watch him.
There's been plenty of times when Rudy has the ball and JV is calling, sometimes dying for the ball in the post. Rudy just flat out ignores him and shoots over 2 or 3 guys.
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There's been plenty of times when JV is calling for the ball and sometimes dying for the ball in the post, and Rudy just flat out ignores him and shoots over 2 or 3 guys.
JV is horrible at being aggressive in the post and presenting himself. I agree with you, but a lot of time JV is behind his man and is calling for the ball instead of getting in front of his man and demanding the ball 6-8ft from the rim. he's often far too deep under the rim. his offensive positioning is terrible
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Jonas still needs to get stronger, and he might be trying too hard to get there. He definitely looks worn out at times. You do see Rudy look him off when he shouldn't. But just about everyone has gotten that treatment. We may need Hollins to come in and fix that. Hollins is also very good with bigs.
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There's been plenty of times when Rudy has the ball and JV is calling, sometimes dying for the ball in the post. Rudy just flat out ignores him and shoots over 2 or 3 guys.
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Jonas still needs to get stronger, and he might be trying too hard to get there. He definitely looks worn out at times. You do see Rudy look him off when he shouldn't. But just about everyone has gotten that treatment. We may need Hollins to come in and fix that. Hollins is also very good with bigs.
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The shin-bone is connected to the thigh-bone. The shoulder-bone is connected to the brain-bone? Guess he's got an injured brain-bone.
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What's the difference between Julyan Stone and Rudy Gay? Almost $17 million.
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:28 AM   #20 (permalink)
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DON'T WORRY GUYS THIS SUMMER HE'S GOING TO GET LASER SHOULDER SURGERY AND IT'LL ALL BE FINE
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