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Old 01-16-2014, 12:22 PM   #41 (permalink)
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So once in his career he was upset about coming off the bench when he was the clear cut starter for a year and a half prior to going down to a staff infection. I don't necessarily blame him. I don't blame houston either....he had missed over a month and was out of game shape and with the team playing well, being late in the season in a playoff run putting lowry back as the starter at that time made little sense. that being said lowry felt snubbed and who knows how that was all handled behind closed doors on Mchale's side of things.

Prior to going down with that infection he was averaging 16ppg/7.2apg/5reb (those numbers are almost identical to this season) and was being looked at as a possible all-star. I could see why he'd be upset by not getting the starting role back when he returned, he's competitive.

IMO to black ball a guy in his 8th season for that period of time is ridiculous. And i never saw any issue last season. I remember when he was coming off the bench and he would often be the one waving a towel and cheering guys on. There were rumblings of an issue with Casey but both denied it so to me that's nothing but rumor. Outwardly i never really saw it.
So you think the Warriors wanted Lowry to start for them? No way. They were looking for a backup, a scorer / ball handler. Jarrett Jack played that role last year, Jordan Crawford will now play that role for the rest of this year. That could've been Lowry, if they felt he'd be happy with coming off the bench for some 25 minutes a night.

GSW didn't "black ball" Lowry. They made a decision not to trade for a backup who may hate being a backup. And they have good reasons to think so.

That Lowry/McHale incident is just 1.5 seasons ago, btw. You make it sound like it was at the start of his career.

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Old 01-16-2014, 12:28 PM   #42 (permalink)
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So you think the Warriors wanted Lowry to start for them? No way. They were looking for a backup, a scorer / ball handler. Jarrett Jack played that role last year, Jordan Crawford will now play that role for the rest of this year. That could've been Lowry, if they felt he'd be happy with coming off the bench for some 25 minutes a night.

GSW didn't "black ball" Lowry. They made a decision not to trade for a backup who may hate being a backup. And they have good reasons to think so.

That Lowry/McHale incident is just 1.5 seasons ago, btw. You make it sound like it was at the start of his career.
where did i say the warriors wanted him to start?

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That Lowry/McHale incident is just 1.5 seasons ago, btw. You make it sound like it was at the start of his career.
And? Could have happened five years ago or 1.5 years ago......is that supposed to matter to me? And where did i make it sound like it happened early in his career?

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IIRC there were issues with McHale back then and with DC last season which clearly tells me Lowry is a great competitor but also a very stubborn one, and some say an Alpha dog. It may not work for some teams, and like you mentioned, I don't understand why people are so surprised.
When we traded for Lowry, Casey was excited because Lowry was an Alpha dog, and commenting on the trade at the time Casey said we needed an Alpha dog on the team.

The difficulty is that Casey is also an Alpha dog and if you put two together, there will be friction until mutual respect is established, which is where we are this year.

Leadership doesn't always come neatly wrapped.
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Old 01-16-2014, 01:38 PM   #44 (permalink)
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where did i say the warriors wanted him to start?
I guess you arguing that he was a clear cut starter back in 2012 mislead me. He's still a clear cut starter. He was benched then, he would've been benched by the Warriors. It's normal for a GM to wonder if he's going to be Mr.Sunshine coming off the bench now, when he wasn't 1.5 seasons ago.

For some reason, you are taking this as a slight to Lowry. But it's a natural concern. Even Pau Gasol was whining about coming off the bench, and he's an introversive meek personality. It's understandable, sure. No one is saying it isn't; although Lowry could've handled it much better back then. But it's a justifiable concern.

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And? Could have happened five years ago or 1.5 years ago......is that supposed to matter to me? And where did i make it sound like it happened early in his career?
You were talking about how it's Lowry's 8th season and how he's been black balled for a ridiculous period of time. You were a bit dramatic. It's all fairly recent.
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You were talking about how it's Lowry's 8th season and how he's been black balled for a ridiculous period of time. You were a bit dramatic. It's all fairly recent.
Ha, the period of time i meant was a 1-2 month span at the end of the 2011-12 season and how in an 8yr career that's what people harp on like that defines who he is.
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I guess you arguing that he was a clear cut starter back in 2012 mislead me. He's still a clear cut starter. He was benched then, he would've been benched by the Warriors.
He was benched in april after missing a month with a serious illness. lol
People make it sound like he "lost" his job. To me for someone to lose their job they have to be playing poorly and surpassed by another player. He was benched because he came back from his virus/infection and was not in game shape, and since the team was playing well and it was April........why would he be put back into the starting lineup the final 11-12 games while not in game ready shape? Obviously Dragic was also playing well but he didn't beat out Lowry, he played well while Lowry was sick.
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I really doubt it was because of locker room concerns.

Y'all are assuming they were ready to give us Barnes or a first for Lowry, which I really doubt.
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He was benched in april after missing a month with a serious illness. lol
People make it sound like he "lost" his job. To me for someone to lose their job they have to be playing poorly and surpassed by another player. He was benched because he came back from his virus/infection and was not in game shape, and since the team was playing well and it was April........why would he be put back into the starting lineup the final 11-12 games while not in game ready shape? Obviously Dragic was also playing well but he didn't beat out Lowry, he played well while Lowry was sick.
And?
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I really doubt it was because of locker room concerns.

Y'all are assuming they were ready to give us Barnes or a first for Lowry, which I really doubt.
It's probably a combination. If a team is asking for a first for a rental, you have to be absolutely sure he's going to fit in perfectly, since the price is so high.
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I really doubt it was because of locker room concerns.

Y'all are assuming they were ready to give us Barnes or a first for Lowry, which I really doubt.
I think it's a little bit of both.
1. Lowry won't be happy to come off the bench.
2. You are right, no doubt we could not get Barnes or a 1st for a rental.
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Old 01-16-2014, 02:23 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Ha, the period of time i meant was a 1-2 month span at the end of the 2011-12 season and how in an 8yr career that's what people harp on like that defines who he is.
People don't talk about his time with Memphis because his rookie campaign ended after only 10 games due to injury, a year later he was a solid backup IIRC and in his 3rd year he got traded to Houston - so nothing really to write about. In his second season with the Rockets (2009-2010) he was again a backup - no drama there. Only in 2010-2011 he became their starter, and a season later the drama with McHale took place. It's not like people are enjoying to hang on to that season, it's just that prior to that he wasn't really a significant piece with MEM or HOU.

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People don't talk about his time with Memphis because his rookie campaign ended after only 10 games, a year later he was a solid backup IIRC and in his 3rd year he got traded to Houston - so nothing really to write about. In his second season with the Rockets (2009-2010) he was again a backup - no drama there. Only in 2010-2011 he became their starter, and a season later the drama with McHale took place. It's not like people are enjoying to hang on to that season, it's just that prior to that he wasn't really a significant piece with MEM or HOU.
Being significant or not doesn't stop one from causing problems if one is inclined to do so. Point is, personality wise he was never known as some distraction or malcontent other than the end of the 2011-12 season. And let's face it we don't know both sides of that story at all since neither he or McHale have really commented on it.
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Being significant or not doesn't stop one from causing problems if one is inclined to do so. Point is, personality wise he was never known as some distraction or malcontent other than the end of the 2011-12 season. And let's face it we don't know both sides of that story at all since neither he or McHale have really commented on it.
The point is that until 2010-2011 he wasn't a starter and didn't really have a 'case' to be upset over his playing time.
The Lowry-McHale saga was all over the media... Lowry wanted to play, possibly as a starter when he came back while McHale didn't think it was the right thing for the team... No matter what, the coach is the one to make the decision and the player has to accept it, but he verbally said in the media that he will need to be traded nor the coach will need to be fired. I think it was more than just rumors. There are certain things that as a professional basketball player you just don't say.
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The point is that until 2010-2011 he wasn't a starter and didn't really have a 'case' to be upset over his playing time.
The Lowry-McHale saga was all over the media... Lowry wanted to play, possibly as a starter when he came back while McHale didn't think it was the right thing for the team... No matter what, the coach is the one to make the decision and the player has to accept it, but he verbally said in the media that he will need to be traded nor the coach will need to be fired. I think it was more than just rumors. There are certain things that as a professional basketball player you just don't say.
When did i say the McHale/Lowry stuff was rumors?

The funny part is that this whole "saga" occured in the final 11-12 games of the season. and since he was averaging 16pts/7asts/5reb prior to getting ill, i can't blame him for thinking he should be starting given his competitive nature. At the same time it's understandable that they'd want to have him come off the bench since he had just missed a month. I still say that anyone hesitating in aquiring him or signing him based on that is ridiculous imo. On instance of not seeing eye to eye with a coach should not black ball a player. Did he have issues with coaches in college?
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Da fuq is with people in this thread. And I don't mean Jeff for once.
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Da fuq is with people in this thread. And I don't mean Jeff for once.
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He was benched in april after missing a month with a serious illness. lol
People make it sound like he "lost" his job. To me for someone to lose their job they have to be playing poorly and surpassed by another player. He was benched because he came back from his virus/infection and was not in game shape, and since the team was playing well and it was April........why would he be put back into the starting lineup the final 11-12 games while not in game ready shape? Obviously Dragic was also playing well but he didn't beat out Lowry, he played well while Lowry was sick.
Actually Dragic took his job and his lunch, so they shipped his ass out.... and then Dragic decided to go elsewhere to look for another lunch to take. Kid is hungry!



Jokes. You're still trying to defend Lowry so hard.... just let it be man!
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When did i say the McHale/Lowry stuff was rumors?

The funny part is that this whole "saga" occured in the final 11-12 games of the season. and since he was averaging 16pts/7asts/5reb prior to getting ill, i can't blame him for thinking he should be starting given his competitive nature. At the same time it's understandable that they'd want to have him come off the bench since he had just missed a month. I still say that anyone hesitating in aquiring him or signing him based on that is ridiculous imo. On instance of not seeing eye to eye with a coach should not black ball a player. Did he have issues with coaches in college?
If this was a starting job, I might think that you have a point. Or if he came to them as a free agent and said, I'm ok with being a backup. But if a team sees a risk in trading for him to be a backup, when Lowry has said he wants to start in no uncertain teams fairly recently, and even said he wants a team to build around him, that's not blackballing. It's common sense.

You focus on his relationships with coaches. But other than you, no one here seems to care about that. The question is more general, does he want that job. We are talking about real people here, with real lives, ambitions and jobs, not just some names in a fantasy basketball league. If someone really doesn't want something, it doesn't mean he's going to strangle his coach, but it's likely to manifest in some ways. They are being aware of that risk, and considering Ujiri's asking price that was simply smart.
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In two differnt articles that I came across earlier today Lowry said on McHale that he wants him to be fired, and in another articles that they can't coexist and he will need to be traded... No one is questioning his will to succeed but certain things you just don't say. Lowry never denied those things. I understand what jeffb is saying, and like woodchuck explained, it's not surprising that GSW decided to pass on him knowing it's a calculated risk and MU's price tag.
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