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jeffb 12-09-2011 08:28 AM

Report: Pietrus out, Forbes and Butler in
 
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Quote:

Sportando wrote:
Mickael Pietrus, who has not been re-signed by Phoenix Suns, accepted the proposal of Toronto Raptors, as reported by Sud Ouest.
The deal will be announced as soon as Pietrus will pass the medical tests. Pietrus was traded to Suns during last regular season from Orlando Magic and with Phoenix has played 38 games averaging 7.4ppg and 2rpg.
http://www.sportando.net/eng/usa/nba...o_raptors.html

jeffb 12-09-2011 08:33 AM

Doug Smith confirms..

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This is why I get up early, I guess.

Just got a note from an alert reader pointing out this to me, a report that says the Raptors are going to sign Mickeal Pietrus when the free agency period opens this afternoon.

Haven’t got confirmation yet – some people must not be up yet – but, on its face, it’s not a bad deal as long as it meets Bryan’s criteria of not being too expensive or too long a contract.

Guess I’ll have something to do this morning.

Pietrus, in case you forgot, is a 6-6 small forward, played in Golden State, Orlando and finished last year in Phoenix and has long been a favourite of some of the folks in Toronto’s front office.

Stick around, we’ll get more when we can.
http://thestar.blogs.com/raptors/201...g-pietrus.html

jeffb 12-09-2011 08:48 AM

It's a trade for a conditional 2nd round pick, not a straight signing. He has a 5.3Mil expiring.

js12 12-09-2011 08:52 AM

Nice! I've always liked him. Solid defender and shooter for the SF position.

js12 12-09-2011 08:53 AM

And I'm guessing this is done with the TPE instead of cap room?

jeffb 12-09-2011 08:59 AM

It improves us defensively.

Bayless/Calderon/??
Derozan/Barbosa
Pietrus/Johnson/Kleiza
Bargnani/Davis/Amir
??/Magloire/Alabi

Call me crazy but I think that team can win 20ish games. :haha:

Bankiz 12-09-2011 09:10 AM

good for us and for him.

Snooch 12-09-2011 09:12 AM

I like pietrus

solid addition

Admiral 12-09-2011 09:14 AM

yes! completely eliminating the thought of sonny weems!
definite upgrade in defense, can shoot the 3, and fits the team's athletic core
he may not be at the elite level but i think for the team right now he's definitely adequate as the starting SF wingman beside demar

Bankiz 12-09-2011 09:14 AM

we just need a starter at C.
i hope for brown or even thuriaf !

jeffb 12-09-2011 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bankiz (Post 585084)
we just need a starter at C.
i hope for brown or even thuriaf !

I agree. I want Jeff Foster at this point. Turiaf would be ok.

fancylad 12-09-2011 09:19 AM

interesting. We are actually starting to resemble a team now as opposed to a mish mash of random players. At the very least it's a better mish mash.

Good signing.

DanH 12-09-2011 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by js12 (Post 585076)
And I'm guessing this is done with the TPE instead of cap room?

Probably, if we get an extension on it. Doesn't really make a difference. But yes, likely we use the TPE if it is available to us, thus keeping us over the cap with our cap holds and having the full MLE to sign whoever else to fill out the roster.

Admiral 12-09-2011 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bankiz (Post 585084)
we just need a starter at C.
i hope for brown or even thuriaf !

i agree with just needing a C

but please not kwame if that's the brown you're talking about, that's actually worse than magloire
i'm all for turiaf
but I'm really hoping there's a way for bargs and davis to man the PF/C positions, a little undersized with davis at C, but if he can get the muscle he can play undersized like a ben wallace, even antonio davis was undersized when he was with us

jeffb 12-09-2011 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DanH (Post 585089)
Probably, if we get an extension on it. Doesn't really make a difference. But yes, likely we use the TPE if it is available to us, thus keeping us over the cap with our cap holds and having the full MLE to sign whoever else to fill out the roster.

I'm expecting the MLE spent on a starting Center and then a cheap pick up on a 3rd PG and that'll be it. Maybe they use the MLE for both?

dfunkie1 12-09-2011 09:40 AM

good pick-up. he's always had a nice defensive toolset, it's just that he's never played in a system that would utilize it. i doubt that'll change this season, but if he's retained, he could be a solid reserve for us in the near future.

Scully 12-09-2011 09:53 AM

I guess we've given up on the idea of scoring from the 3. There better be a good pick up behind this, because our 2012 rebuilding looks alot like giving up.

Windex 12-09-2011 09:55 AM

adding a Frenchmen to the UN team :cookie: good player, decent signing

Bankiz 12-09-2011 10:02 AM

pietrus is a solid sf, who has all. 3pts, D and experience.

but besides that, he is an expiring.
and 5.3M on expiring is a good thing. even if we resign him after this season, if he can produce.

but next season, we would have a young C, another high pick i suppose, and with davis and derozan that will put us with 4 talented player at pne spot.
so i think it s time too to fill the other bench spot we need wuth player who can contribute for cheap. and prove themself they can compete with us.

i'm all for thuriaf instead of brown too. only, brown is a FA. maybe we can over bid atlanta on collins.
but BC need to bring here a nice Center who can produce D.

Scully 12-09-2011 10:04 AM

Yeah its a great deal now we have James Johnson and the french James Johnson. Or is it that we had the American Mickeal Pietrus.

jeffb 12-09-2011 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scully (Post 585114)
Yeah its a great deal now we have James Johnson and the french James Johnson. Or is it that we had the American Mickeal Pietrus.


Pietrus>>>>JJ

Scully 12-09-2011 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 585115)
Pietrus>>>>JJ

Not buy much. Not to the extent that singing him is good pick up. We need a bit of diversity in skill set at the 3 and leadership and we got neither. Kleiza is our most skilled 3, It's a joke. Who on this team is creating toward the basket? Fucking Jose!!!

jeffb 12-09-2011 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scully (Post 585124)
Not buy much. Not to the extent that singing him is good pick up. We need a bit of diversity in skill set at the 3 and leadership and we got neither. Kleiza is our most skilled 3, It's a joke. Who on this team is creating toward the basket? Fucking Jose!!!

Pietrus can hit the 3, Johnson can't. And essentially he's athletic and can defend and most inportantly is a 5.3Mil expiring. This deal helps us in many ways. No brainer imo.

Gurk 12-09-2011 10:31 AM

Nice. Solid addition, I have always liked him. :dancing:

Scully 12-09-2011 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 585127)
Pietrus can hit the 3, Johnson can't. And essentially he's athletic and can defend and most inportantly is a 5.3Mil expiring. This deal helps us in many ways. No brainer imo.

It's 5.3 million we could have used in picking up a real player. We haven't even played a single pre-seson game and we are already differing to next season. The guy shot just over 30% from three coming from a team were he was the worst three point shooter. He stats are going to bomb when he is the only one on the floor who is considered a deep threat. Why didn't we just resign Weems and Dorsey if our big off season pick ups are going to be Maglore and Pietrus.

Admiral 12-09-2011 10:39 AM

very happy with this move
I'm not saying he's an elite player, but at least this guy is some sort of a "name" player
at least he will be a good piece for the coach to use for his D schemes, the transition into a better D team will be easier
at this point he's still an upgrade to any SF type player we have, this and the fact that kleiza is coming back should motivate JJ, you have an SF here that plays the wing and defends better than JJ and kleiza who plays the undersized PF style on the offense end better than JJ, this should be enough motivation for JJ to improve his game

jeffb 12-09-2011 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scully (Post 585147)
It's 5.3 million we could have used in picking up a real player. We haven't even played a single pre-seson game and we are already differing to next season. The guy shot just over 30% from three coming from a team were he was the worst three point shooter. He stats are going to bomb when he is the only one on the floor who is considered a deep threat. Why didn't we just resign Weems and Dorsey if our big off season pick ups are going to be Maglore and Pietrus.


Where have you been? It's been about nest season for a while now.

Scully 12-09-2011 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 585153)
Where have you been? It's been about nest season for a while now.

I just think it's a give up move. We could have gone for a 3-4 year deal with any of the SF in FA. We would have still been looking to future seasons and not picking up a guy for 66 games at a tune of 5.3 million. Not to mention we didn't even wait for the amnesty or FA to pass. We could have made this deal next tuesday, when all other options had passed.

jeffb 12-09-2011 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scully (Post 585159)
I just think it's a give up move. We could have gone for a 3-4 year deal with any of the SF in FA. We would have still been looking to future seasons and not picking up a guy for 66 games at a tune of 5.3 million. Not to mention we didn't even wait for the amnesty or FA to pass. We could have made this deal next tuesday, when all other options had passed.

You don't think they know what their options are? They know exactly what the FA landscape is and who they could have signed. And I would think they have an idea of who will be amnestied and if those players would be willing to come here to a crap team. This helps us now and in the coming seasons. A move like this is no surprise considering what BC has said.

DanH 12-09-2011 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scully (Post 585159)
I just think it's a give up move. We could have gone for a 3-4 year deal with any of the SF in FA. We would have still been looking to future seasons and not picking up a guy for 66 games at a tune of 5.3 million. Not to mention we didn't even wait for the amnesty or FA to pass. We could have made this deal next tuesday, when all other options had passed.

Why pay a player for 3-4 years to stop Harrison Barnes from becoming a franchise player for us? :cookie:

Oh, and Pietrus shot .360 last year. Hardly "just over 30%." That .360 would place him... Second on the team to Jose (.365) last year. And well ahead of third (Bayless, .348).

Oh, and what do you care how much the Raps spend picking up a player like this? In all likelihood, by using a trade to pick up a player, they have allowed themselves to use the full MLE (pending confirmation on extension of TPE's) to sign additional players, leaving them with about the same amount of money to spend on free agents as before this trade. So what is your issue?

0nekhmer 12-09-2011 10:59 AM

Solid pickup! I've always liked his game, not outspoken but looks like he knows his role. Defensive 3 who can shoot the 3?! And for a conditional. 2nd rounder is gold

Shifty.py 12-09-2011 11:04 AM

excellent move BC!
Perfect fit for SF (albeit several years too late) and found a use for that cursed TPE!
:dancing::dancing::dancing:

RAPMAN 12-09-2011 11:12 AM

Solid pick-up. Maybe the best defender on this team.

jeffb 12-09-2011 11:13 AM

So the TPE (Bosh deal) has helped us get:

Bayless
Amir
Pietrus

JJ28 12-09-2011 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shifty.py (Post 585167)
excellent move BC!
Perfect fit for SF (albeit several years too late) and found a use for that cursed TPE!
:dancing::dancing::dancing:

SOOO TRUEE

DanH 12-09-2011 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 585172)
So the TPE (Bosh deal) has helped us get:

Bayless
Amir
Pietrus

Nope. Amir and Weems were part of the Delfino S+T.

The TPE brought us:
Bayless
Ajinca
James Johnson
Pietrus

Ajinca is gone, probably, but Bayless and Johnson are good pickups.

Scully 12-09-2011 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanH (Post 585165)
Why pay a player for 3-4 years to stop Harrison Barnes from becoming a franchise player for us? :cookie:

Oh, and Pietrus shot .360 last year. Hardly "just over 30%." That .360 would place him... Second on the team to Jose (.365) last year. And well ahead of third (Bayless, .348).

Oh, and what do you care how much the Raps spend picking up a player like this? In all likelihood, by using a trade to pick up a player, they have allowed themselves to use the full MLE (pending confirmation on extension of TPE's) to sign additional players, leaving them with about the same amount of money to spend on free agents as before this trade. So what is your issue?

My issue is that is a redundant pick up. And like I said before he got alot of those looks from three off the threat of his team mates and being the last guy in the swing. He won't shot 30 % for us. The guy has never played full season in his entire career, we'll be lucky if we get 45 games out of him. For all of his Defensive prowess he never got off the bench post VC trade. I just think there were better options out there.

Bankiz 12-09-2011 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0nekhmer (Post 585166)
Solid pickup! I've always liked his game, not outspoken but looks like he knows his role. Defensive 3 who can shoot the 3?! And for a conditional. 2nd rounder is gold

orlando staff always said, he is a good team-player.
so that could benefit casey to have a 3 like him to "build" this team, and a new culture.
at almost 30, he will be with magloire, caldy and barbosa the vets
in this team.

going forward, i think it's a good puck by BC. especially for a conditional 2nd rd pick !

Someguy again 12-09-2011 11:43 AM

cavaliers wanted to get him.

we might get nixed

myklue 12-09-2011 11:47 AM

greaaaaaaaaaaaaat signing. woke up with great news! perfect piece to the "plan" they are talking about that need to be fit. Next is a solid center please???


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