Remember the draft day poll?
Old 12-10-2010, 05:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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It was in the aftermath of the 2006 draft when a poll was conducted among the 30 NBA GMs, one of the questions asked was who will be the best player in that draft after 5 years. Bargnani and Aldridge shared the top spot with a few votes spread among the other players ...

Guess what, in 4 months time, those 5 years will lapse. For a while it looked like roy will run away with that title, but his recent knee woes (which were to be expected) are quickly turning him from one of the best players in the game into one of the worst contracts in the league. The remaining contenders to the two mentioned above are rondo, milsap and gay.

There's no question that rondo is the best of the bunch, but he came out of nowhere as a 20th pick, and there was no chance he would be drafted with the #1 at the time. Same with milsap, who was so far down the radar, it didn't even make the 1st round. Milsap also has a fairly low ceiling, he's more of an energy, blue-collar kind of player. The other candidate is gay, who is having his best year yet, but it's hard to judge him because his team has the same record as ours, despite having a ton of talent around him (gasol, randolph, mayo and conley are vastly superior to anything we have).

It's therefore conceivable that by the end of this season, Bargnani could indeed turn out to be the best player of his draft (not named rondo), which would prove that for all the heat they get from fans, GMs are still better at what they do than the average fan (what a shocking concept, right?).

Finally, the reason I'm bringing this up now is that in a few hours we'll play another game. And we all know that andrea can easily follow that masterpiece in NY with a 4 for 15 and 3 rebounds stinker tonight. Or he could just as well lead us to a win with a 26 and 9 - nobody can tell ...
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Old 12-10-2010, 06:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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You can look it like that and then you can look at the guy picked at 3rd spot in that draft. Or that as you mentioned the best player of the draft was picked at 20. Or that you never know when injuries hit (of course for some guys you know its more likely than for others).

Just saying that drafting is not that easy. And even GM's make mistake a lot of times. Of course fans would make much worse decisions, but thats why they dont work for NBA teams
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Old 12-10-2010, 06:58 PM   #3 (permalink)
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it doesn't matter if he is a dud for ten games. he's brilliant. am I right? Fucking brilliant. And in the worst case scenario, where he just lays down game after game, we're still no worse off than if we hadn't picked him. It's lose/lose, but it feels like such a win/win.

Oh hell - what am I even saying? Shouldn't I just be defending Bosh or something? Milky - say something mean and nasty about Bosh. C'mon. I feel so lost.
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it doesn't matter if he is a dud for ten games. he's brilliant. am I right? Fucking brilliant. And in the worst case scenario, where he just lays down game after game, we're still no worse off than if we hadn't picked him. It's lose/lose, but it feels like such a win/win.

Oh hell - what am I even saying? Shouldn't I just be defending Bosh or something? Milky - say something mean and nasty about Bosh. C'mon. I feel so lost.
That's my boy, LX!!!

I'd argue Rudy Gay is the best player from that draft. Has anyone watched him this year? Rondo is awesomem, but Gay has made a huge leap. Roy is an unfortunate case, but AB looks (to me) as the fourth best player from the draft going forward. Aldridge is good, but he's no stud either. The argument could be made for him to be ahead of AB, but it could also be made against that point. The luck that resulted in Rondo and Milsap happens.... but Morrison, Thomas and Williams also happens.
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it doesn't matter if he is a dud for ten games. he's brilliant. am I right? Fucking brilliant. And in the worst case scenario, where he just lays down game after game, we're still no worse off than if we hadn't picked him. It's lose/lose, but it feels like such a win/win.

Oh hell - what am I even saying? Shouldn't I just be defending Bosh or something? Milky - say something mean and nasty about Bosh. C'mon. I feel so lost.
To be honest, I think Bargs has had more good games than bad ones this season. Thats improvment. And the fact that his bad games are something like 14points and 5rebounds with 5-15 shooting is really positive. Those bad game figures used to be so much worse.

And while he might not be the best player out of that draft, he certainly isnt a bust as many have said. At worst this is his ceiling and I think thats already not that bad. There might have been better choices (time will tell), but its not like he never did anything and there were LeBrons waiting in line after him. At this point there are three-four guys that have had better careers than him, but he is still on the rise where as some of the other guys seem to be going down (Roy and Aldridge) and then there is Rondo and Millsap who no one would have taken as top-5 pick.

So not that bad of a choice.
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Old 12-10-2010, 07:24 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Thomas equated with Adam and Sheldon? That's just wrong. Thomas would actually be a pretty nice guy to have alongside Andrea. Not the young immature version at draft time, but the guy that proved himself capable throughout last season and in the playoffs. He's got a motor, and a nose for the ball. I can always live with guys like that.
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Thomas equated with Adam and Sheldon? That's just wrong. Thomas would actually be a pretty nice guy to have alongside Andrea. Not the young immature version at draft time, but the guy that proved himself capable throughout last season and in the playoffs. He's got a motor, and a nose for the ball. I can always live with guys like that.
he's a little small to play with AB in the frontcourt, but I'll give you that argument. Yet the hype on him during that draft period would suggest his play has seriously been underwhelming.
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he's a little small to play with AB in the frontcourt, but I'll give you that argument. Yet the hype on him during that draft period would suggest his play has seriously been underwhelming.
Yep true enough. He was a punk for some time.

I don't know about his size - he has length. And he is pretty tough. He was a punk after all.
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Thomas makes up for his size with tenacity. Seems to have a bit of an attitude but that style of player is perfect along side Bargnani.

The problem from the get-go with those ripping GMs for draft picks is that it is always done by people with the gift of hindsight. Even if Bargnani comes out tonight and lays a stinker, that doesn't mean that Colangelo made a mistake in drafting Bargnani; GMs don't predict the future, and shouldn't be held completely accountable for their inability to do so.

I still will argue with anyone that drafting Bargnani #1 was just fine and could've ended up a lot worse.
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I don't think Rondo is the best player out of the draft. I think it's the fact that he's in the right system being surrounded by 3 future hall of famers.

in about 20 other situations around the league, he wouldn't have the same success he's had in his career.
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Old 12-11-2010, 02:03 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Atleast we don't have a star on Toronto named Gay. lol

Guess you can say that's the only positive we got outta picking Bargs over Gay. And the contract.
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Thomas makes up for his size with tenacity. Seems to have a bit of an attitude but that style of player is perfect along side Bargnani.

The problem from the get-go with those ripping GMs for draft picks is that it is always done by people with the gift of hindsight. Even if Bargnani comes out tonight and lays a stinker, that doesn't mean that Colangelo made a mistake in drafting Bargnani; GMs don't predict the future, and shouldn't be held completely accountable for their inability to do so.

I still will argue with anyone that drafting Bargnani #1 was just fine and could've ended up a lot worse.
All I know is the media thought Thomas was going to be the next Shawn Marion they were really really wrong....
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I don't think Rondo is the best player out of the draft. I think it's the fact that he's in the right system being surrounded by 3 future hall of famers.

in about 20 other situations around the league, he wouldn't have the same success he's had in his career.
Sorry ... but are you kidding.

Rondo may be the best guard in the league right now. If I was building a team from scratch ... it would be either Rondo or Rose.

If we had Rondo today ... we are one of the top 4 teams in the East. I know this could be a stretch and the team composition would need to change some what, but Rondo is tough as nails and makes other players better.
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Sorry ... but are you kidding.

Rondo may be the best guard in the league right now. If I was building a team from scratch ... it would be either Rondo or Rose.

If we had Rondo today ... we are one of the top 4 teams in the East. I know this could be a stretch and the team composition would need to change some what, but Rondo is tough as nails and makes other players better.
Who knows. He's flourished under a tough as nails couch and surrounded by HOF all-stars. Who knows how he would have done under Mitchell/Triano here and this system out of College. Put in a different situation right out of College anything could have happened. A few years ago they contemplated trading him because he was being difficult. If he pulled that here would the Raptors be tough on him at all? Knowing the Raptors they would have encouraged him to take more shats! :facepalm:
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Who knows. He's flourished under a tough as nails couch and surrounded by HOF all-stars. Who knows how he would have done under Mitchell/Triano here and this system out of College. Put in a different situation right out of College anything could have happened. A few years ago they contemplated trading him because he was being difficult. If he pulled that here would the Raptors be tough on him at all? Knowing the Raptors they would have encouraged him to take more shats! :facepalm:
I agree with Jeff, Rondo was put into a good defensive team with a good half court offense. He was also placed on a team with three future HOF, and now 4 future HOF this year. He wasn't seen as a great point guard and maybe that's why he was at 20. Now he's named on of the best PGs in the league. Now if he was placed here or in another team, he could have flourished or busted. No one saw him being a great PG.
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