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Old 04-03-2011, 10:20 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Bullshit! He's an ineficient scorer who costs us points in our own end. Sorry, but If Bargnani left it would speed up the rebuild process.
same cold be said for Demar. Ineffecient scorer, cant play defense, cant dribble and create, gives up more points than he scores. He should go as well.
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Old 04-03-2011, 10:26 AM   #22 (permalink)
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In a Toronto market that treasures hustle and grit, making the softest 7 footer ever as your centerpiece is asking for failure.

I , too, will stay away if they keep shoving Bargs down my throat.
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Old 04-03-2011, 10:26 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I just hope Bargnani isn't close to his peak. The things that are holding him back are not about ability. If he can't overcome that, don't expect much evolution of his game. He's been in this league a long time with plenty of minutes. If he is not able to change some things, he's a rotation guy, not your team's feature.
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Old 04-03-2011, 12:31 PM   #24 (permalink)
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same cold be said for Demar. Ineffecient scorer, cant play defense, cant dribble and create, gives up more points than he scores. He should go as well.
Demar's only in his second year, he plays the 2 spot the position were majority of all-stars, and superstars play. Bargs has no excuse for letting borderline scrubs/role players have career highs against.
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Old 04-03-2011, 12:53 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Bargnani doesn't have killer instinct. It's pretty much that simple.

Saying he is anything but an elite scorer is silly, he's un-guardable many night. His complacency on defence is pretty painful to watch, I agree, however he isn't the reason Toronto is terrible, just part of it.

Toronto is lacking in every position except PF. There's you issue. Not the coach, not any one player, they are hurting everywhere. Production and performance isn't smething you can rate on age. If a guy is producing, he is, if he ain't, he aint. DD doesn't get a pass from me because he is young, and Bargnani doesnt get a pass because he can light it up on offence. I certainly would start whining about never watching another game if they were there next year. Thats just silly talk.
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Old 04-03-2011, 03:44 PM   #26 (permalink)
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thanks for telling us something, that hasnt already been said a thousand times ~_~
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Old 04-03-2011, 09:33 PM   #27 (permalink)
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same cold be said for Demar. Ineffecient scorer, cant play defense, cant dribble and create, gives up more points than he scores. He should go as well.
Please explain how DeMar is an inefficient scorer that can't dribble or create, particularly in comparison to Andrea. That all seems a little bizarre. At the very least you have to admit that he is improving in all aspects, including defense. That's just a sad sad argument to make there. I feel ridiculously obvious just for pointing it out.
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Old 04-03-2011, 09:54 PM   #28 (permalink)
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same cold be said for Demar. Ineffecient scorer, cant play defense, cant dribble and create, gives up more points than he scores. He should go as well.
Derozan is his second season is more effecient then Bargnani in his 5th season.
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Old 04-04-2011, 06:02 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Derozan is his second season is more effecient then Bargnani in his 5th season.
per is a bad statistic.

bargs has a higher assist percentage, a higher ts%.

both Bargs and demar have a negative impact on offensive/defensive rating on the floor with demar being 1 point better on offense and 1 point better on defense but still is a negative.

saying that is only to show that there is alot more wrong with this team than just Bargs and dealing him alone wont maje us a plauoff team
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keeping him isn't going to make us better
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Old 04-04-2011, 08:34 AM   #31 (permalink)
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With Bargnani out this team is a contender. Whatever with BC probably out too Bargs is on the go and this team needs a new franchise guy.
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Old 04-04-2011, 08:42 AM   #32 (permalink)
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same cold be said for Demar. Ineffecient scorer, cant play defense, cant dribble and create, gives up more points than he scores. He should go as well.
Maybe.

at least he's showing he's trying. and doesn't utter unprofessional quotes just to be full of himself. sadly, i can't say the same for your candidate.
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same cold be said for Demar. Ineffecient scorer, cant play defense, cant dribble and create, gives up more points than he scores. He should go as well.
are you sure you talking about the same Demar?

sounds like there are Bargs fan boys in this thread..
he is in what now.. his 5th season.. and there is no improvement in his D

Raptors play much better wit out him, they are more tougher mentally and play better Defense in the paint

you can't even criticize DD for his defense.. he has shown more improvement then a guy that is in his 5th season now..

Bargs is just a scorer.. if his jump shot is not falling he is not doing anything good on the court
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In a Toronto market that treasures hustle and grit, making the softest 7 footer ever as your centerpiece is asking for failure.

I , too, will stay away if they keep shoving Bargs down my throat.
how are they shoving Bargs down your throat? That's ridiculous. They're simply working with what they have.... would you rather they just cut him and absorb the contract?
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per is a bad statistic.

bargs has a higher assist percentage, a higher ts%.
Who said anything about per?


He's doubled his scoring while uping his shooting percentage and knowing his limitations by taking most smart shots either at the rim or at the 15-17ft range. Which makes him more efficient then Bargnani who's shooting percentages have dropped.
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Old 04-04-2011, 10:04 AM   #36 (permalink)
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I think ppl should be glad that Bargs toned down his effort during the season, otherwise we would not be able to look at the 3-4th spot in the lottery.
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