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Old 11-13-2012, 11:16 AM   #21 (permalink)
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BC will not trade Bargnani which will result to his termination. When we do get a new GM, Bargnani will be the first one to go. We also need Kyle Lowry. I like Jose who makes the right decisions on offense, but Maurice Williams, not Rondo or Tony Parker, is allowed to walk in the paint and breakdown the defense at will, you don't have a starting level point guard.
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Old 11-13-2012, 11:39 AM   #22 (permalink)
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This game should have ended in regulation to begin with. Derozan and Kleiza were the hot hands throughout the game, Kleiza fouled out, so we had to pretty much feed Derozan all night. Bargnani missed some really easy shots around the rim on his post up moves, he didn't chuck a lot of outside shots, or deep 2's. Most of his misses were in the paint, and he did get to the freethrow line more than anyone else.

Simply put it wasn't his night.

Derozan was fantastic though, reminded me of Vintage Carter in his best years.
That spin move that could have ended the game looked nothing like Vince's best years. Those ugly threes in overtime also failed to bring up memories of Vince. Overall, it was good to see him come strong, but it got a little to his head and he tried to do more than he's capable in the final overtime. Maybe he should have passed it once or twice.
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Old 11-13-2012, 11:51 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Or maybe his shots looked bad because he was tired playing 55-60 minutes? But yah, it must have been Derozan being selfish. /smh
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:01 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Or maybe his shots looked bad because he was tired playing 55-60 minutes? But yah, it must have been Derozan being selfish. /smh
Never said selfish... I just said he tried to do more than he was capable. Great job trying to turn what I'm saying. Those threes he took can't be justified by being tired, they're just bad shots. And the first overtime spin move... he's 23, if he can't handle it, sit him. He suddenly gets a green light to try and go into superhero mode?

I'm not trying to bash him here, but it's obvious that he tried to do more than he could. Maybe some of the other scorers, like AB, needed to be more assertive too, but it just felt like DD was calling his own number a little too much in the end. No big deal, just an observation, that he should have probably passed a bit more at the end.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:07 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I think we should focus on Bargnani and how he could improve rather than making this discussion a DeRozan vs Bargnani. Especially after the way Derozan played yesterday. AB has almost twice as many years of experience than DD but right now DD looks like he's been playing in the league longer. The Raps need both to be playing at a high level together.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:11 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I think we should focus on Bargnani and how he could improve rather than making this discussion a DeRozan vs Bargnani. Especially after the way Derozan played yesterday. AB has almost twice as many years of experience than DD but right now DD looks like he's been playing in the league longer. The Raps need both to be playing at a high level together.
It's not a versus argument at all. DD went into chuck mode, maybe because he thought he had to. They both need to be playing better, you're right. Right now it looks like AB is deferring too much whereas DD is making sure he's getting his shots. They both need to be assertive. Defenses are able to close off on a single player attack. They both need to get better at passing off during a drive.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:15 PM   #27 (permalink)
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It's not a versus argument at all. DD went into chuck mode, maybe because he thought he had to. They both need to be playing better, you're right. Right now it looks like AB is deferring too much whereas DD is making sure he's getting his shots. They both need to be assertive. Defenses are able to close off on a single player attack. They both need to get better at passing off during a drive.
In DD's defense, I thought that he did a pretty good job of passing the ball when there were other options available.

After Kleiza fouled out and Bargs wilted though.... not a whole lot of options left...
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:21 PM   #28 (permalink)
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In DD's defense, I thought that he did a pretty good job of passing the ball when there were other options available.

After Kleiza fouled out and Bargs wilted though.... not a whole lot of options left...
Bargnani definitely deferred to DD, you're right. Though taking those threes at the end were not justifiable in my mind. He went into superman mode and it cost us. I can't blame the awkward spin move on him as much as I blame it on Casey though. We are absolutely attrocious at end of game play calling despite Bargnani making that incredible hand-off/screen play to free up JL3 for a game-tying three. It's subtle plays like that which go unnoticed around here.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:22 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Who the hell else is going to take the shots? Calderon? Dominic McGuire? Bargnani who disappeared the entire 2nd half and overtime? DD had 6 assists ffs, he was trying to get his teammates involved all game, but we had nobody else stepping up and actually trying.
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Who the hell else is going to take the shots? Calderon? Dominic McGuire? Bargnani who disappeared the entire 2nd half and overtime? DD had 6 assists ffs, he was trying to get his teammates involved all game, but we had nobody else stepping up and actually trying.
Why not Jose? Just curious.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:29 PM   #31 (permalink)
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From what I rmb Calderon had some big shots near the end of last nights game, not so much Bargnani. Calderon actually tried to keep up with his man. Bargnani just didnt look like he was into the game or cared that much. The way he shot those free throws in OT and missed one of them. He literally just stands there watching his teammates get beat.

We all know that BC is proud of his #1 draft pick and will not trade him and fire the head coach if he gets benched or doesnt get his minutes; ala Sam Mitchell
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:32 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Well it was last year for Bargs as the year to prove something, and he showed flashes and then was hurt and only got back for mop up time after it was over. So his year to prove something got deferred another year. What has he shown in the year that he has to step up? He has shown nothing this year.

I'm pretty certain at this point that Casey and BC are almost out of patience too and are starting to make plans that don't include him. You would have to. I'm a patient guy, but this has gone long enough. If he didn't improve this year he's not going to. .

I don't think he's untradeable. I'm sure he's gone soon. Next year will be a contract year and they have to think about getting something for him because they are not signing him to a big deal.

On a side note I think he has one major flaw that you can't fix. He's quick, he's fast, he can shoot but he sucks at everything that has to do with reflex. It's like he has zero fucking relfexes and can't get to a rebound, can't get to a defender... I don't know if its something you can even work on.
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Bargnani definitely deferred to DD, you're right. Though taking those threes at the end were not justifiable in my mind. He went into superman mode and it cost us. I can't blame the awkward spin move on him as much as I blame it on Casey though. We are absolutely attrocious at end of game play calling despite Bargnani making that incredible hand-off/screen play to free up JL3 for a game-tying three. It's subtle plays like that which go unnoticed around here.
No arguing the 3s... those were bad shots. That's still not his game.

I'm still in a state of shock that he was only able to get to the line 5 times last night though... I don't usually complain about the refs but that was ridiculous.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:35 PM   #34 (permalink)
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From what I rmb Calderon had some big shots near the end of last nights game, not so much Bargnani. Calderon actually tried to keep up with his man. Bargnani just didnt look like he was into the game or cared that much. The way he shot those free throws in OT and missed one of them. He literally just stands there watching his teammates get beat.

We all know that BC is proud of his #1 draft pick and will not trade him and fire the head coach if he gets benched or doesnt get his minutes; ala Sam Mitchell


I think BC will end up trading Bargnani at some point. Sounds crazy but I just have a gut feeling that it's coming. Prior to last season there were rumors that BC was taking offers for him and was contemplating trading him. I just think that at some point he'll be dealt. Especially if this downward spiral continues and Bargnani continues to be inconsistent. For some reason I'm just getting the feeling that the Calderon/Bargnani is coming to it's conclusion.
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I think BC will end up trading Bargnani at some point. Sounds crazy but I just have a gut feeling that it's coming. Prior to last season there were rumors that BC was taking offers for him and was contemplating trading him. I just think that at some point he'll be dealt. Especially if this downward spiral continues and Bargnani continues to be inconsistent. For some reason I'm just getting the feeling that the Calderon/Bargnani is coming to it's conclusion.
Well I think Calderon will be resigned to a smaller contract. Ill personally rather have Calderon here than Bargnani. Calderon may even take a much smaller contract than what he has now. As for BC trading Bargnani, what we have been seeing now for 7 years is not going to change. He's 27 now and is in his prime right now. However it seems that BC is expecting a return than more than what Bargnani is really worth.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:53 PM   #36 (permalink)
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You guys are being a bit overzealous. Casey keeps Bargnani out there cause we need what he brings.....to say he's not caring or not trying is ridiculous at this point. It's basing your opinion on personal opinion. It was obvious he was deferring, not wilting... and maybe that's the area we should complain, but if the coach is calling DD's number, what is he supposed to do?
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:54 PM   #37 (permalink)
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I would be more than happy to get a mid first rounder for Bargnani.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:57 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Well I think Calderon will be resigned to a smaller contract. Ill personally rather have Calderon here than Bargnani. Calderon may even take a much smaller contract than what he has now. As for BC trading Bargnani, what we have been seeing now for 7 years is not going to change. He's 27 now and is in his prime right now. However it seems that BC is expecting a return than more than what Bargnani is really worth.

I just think it's very important to get that SF we desperately need. We can maybe then sign a vet Big next summer using our MLE. If we can shore up the SF position it would mean that we'd be set at all positions. I believe that Amir/Davis at PF can give us 18/16 every night at that position and we'd be fine. It's too bad we couldn't re-sign Barbosa this summer. We need someone like that right now.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:06 PM   #39 (permalink)
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I would be more than happy to get a mid first rounder for Bargnani.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:13 PM   #40 (permalink)
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It will be very interested 4-5 years from now if/when Colangelo and Bargnani are no longer with the team, we'll find out what kind of offers BC got for Bargs along the way. Would be fun to see what his value has been around the league in his tenure as our "superstar". Sort of like how info about VC or Bosh has come out.

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