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Old 01-24-2012, 10:31 AM   #41 (permalink)
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We'd have been better off recalling Mike James for another stint with us.

At least he could score AND pass AND shoot.

Barbosa's not a bad player... just a horrid fit for this team.

I'm just so sick of veteran guys coming here looking to put up 15-20 shots/gm when they really shouldn't be taking half that.
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Old 01-24-2012, 10:36 AM   #42 (permalink)
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We'd have been better off recalling Mike James for another stint with us.

At least he could score AND pass AND shoot.

Barbosa's not a bad player... just a horrid fit for this team.

I'm just so sick of veteran guys coming here looking to put up 15-20 shots/gm when they really shouldn't be taking half that.
well when no one can score double digits except him, what do you want him to do?
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Old 01-24-2012, 10:41 AM   #43 (permalink)
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well when no one can score double digits except him, what do you want him to do?
be a mentor, be a teacher, institute solid offensive possessions, get others involved, make his teammates better.

not go 1 on 5.
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Old 01-24-2012, 10:42 AM   #44 (permalink)
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How is he such a horrid fit? No one off our bench can score at all. With Bayless gone hes better playing 1v5
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Old 01-24-2012, 10:43 AM   #45 (permalink)
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How is he such a horrid fit? No one off our bench can score at all. With Bayless gone hes better playing 1v5
depends what you are trying to achieve. he's great if our goal is to score as many points as we can, independent of whether or not we are winning. but i would argue that isn't our goal.
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Old 01-24-2012, 10:47 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Sure its not but, the guys he plays with aren't exactly the peices we are trying to move with going forward. Ed is the only one coming off the bench who matters really but hes being benched all the time for lack of effort or what have you. I guess you could argue Kleiza to some extent too, but hes usually just dumped the ball to create his own shot and gets decent amount of opportunities.
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not sure how you could know that. certainly there are several guys we are trying to develop, but even more importantly, surely there is a system that we are trying to develop. i really hope it is not a 1 on 5 system.
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Barbosa's not a bad player... just a horrid fit for this team.
The thing is, this team isn't what's going to be here next season. If the right pieces are added next summer someone like Barbosa could be an asset. But we need a couple players that create there own shot so that we're not reliant on other such as Barbosa to create for them or feed them when they're not capable or willing to do just that. Right now our back court ooff the bench is bay less and Barbosa ....two players that don't exactly distribute all that much. My only concern about re-signing him is it would be using capspace

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Old 01-24-2012, 11:32 AM   #49 (permalink)
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It's a fair point, but there is no guarantee of that happening.... a team could like what he brings and want to retain his services, he could find a place he likes more than TO, and frankly trading him away for the suggested mid-first is just not good value. Obviously I think Barbosa is too good for that.
Well, he's been in the league for 9 years now - if there is somewhere else he prefers, anything we do now won't change that. If anything, he might well appreciate the chance to go for a ring with a contender enough that he would re-sign in part due to that appreciation. Of course, he still has to like the organization and players and coaches, but none of that is changed by him being traded at the deadline as a rental.

Consider this - if Colangelo has talked to Barbosa about the possibility of a trade, and it has come up that he would appreciate a chance at a ring and would like to return in the future - what is the downside of trading him for a pick?

And since I haven't taken a side yet... This team will not be contending material for 3 years yet - and when Barbosa's speed goes, he will be a shell of his former self. We're early enough in the rebuild that we should be moving vet pieces who are past their prime for assets whenever possible. So I'd rather take the risk he doesn't re-sign (which you should note is still a risk if we don't trade him) and move him for an asset than sign him to a 3 year contract and risk him losing what effectiveness he has (scorer on a bad team indeed) before we actually require said skill set - or even just losing him as an unrestricted free agent.
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:39 AM   #50 (permalink)
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be a mentor, be a teacher, institute solid offensive possessions, get others involved, make his teammates better.

not go 1 on 5.
I think there gets a point where your team cannot score for crap and missed on the last 10-12 possessions, and your the only one who can score, you are going to stop passing. Ye this season is not about wins and stuff, but you do not want to get embarrassed out there either
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:39 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Agreed - the team's priority should be to deal Barbosa for a first-round pick and/or a young player. Barbosa is a great piece for a contending team, but on a rebuilding team he has limited value. BC's focus should be on building for the future and not keeping Barbosa just to keep games "competitive" Barbosa is one of the few players on the Raptors that could net a decent return - one that will help accelerate the rebuilding process.
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Agreed - the team's priority should be to deal Barbosa for a first-round pick and/or a young player. Barbosa is a great piece for a contending team, but on a rebuilding team he has limited value. BC's focus should be on building for the future and not keeping Barbosa just to keep games "competitive" Barbosa is one of the few players on the Raptors that could net a decent return - one that will help accelerate the rebuilding process.
I agree with this, he is a good player, and could net us a first and you do it if thats the case, however, I wouldn't mind at all if we manage to get him back in the off-season
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We'd have been better off recalling Mike James for another stint with us.

At least he could score AND pass AND shoot.

Barbosa's not a bad player... just a horrid fit for this team.

I'm just so sick of veteran guys coming here looking to put up 15-20 shots/gm when they really shouldn't be taking half that.
You've really got a poor impression of Barbosa... and to suggest he's adamant about taking all those shots and he's not encouraged to do so by the coaching staff is just foolish. This team goes through brutal scoring droughts every single game.... and now Mike James is a stud? What happened when he left Toronto? Barbosa has scored in more than one place.... and what's so bad about a guy that tries so often? We've heralded worse players with similar effort before..... much worse players. Also, he's not the only one chucking.... DD anyone?
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You've really got a poor impression of Barbosa... and to suggest he's adamant about taking all those shots and he's not encouraged to do so by the coaching staff is just foolish. This team goes through brutal scoring droughts every single game.... and now Mike James is a stud? What happened when he left Toronto? Barbosa has scored in more than one place.... and what's so bad about a guy that tries so often? We've heralded worse players with similar effort before..... much worse players. Also, he's not the only one chucking.... DD anyone?
Who said Mike James was a stud?

If the coaching staff is encouraging Barbosa to have tunnel vision and go 1 on 5 then I'm very disappointed with them. And no, DD doesn't get a pass either.

What about some genuine ball movement involving the bigs? Cutting off the ball? Setting screens? Running plays that don't involve isos every time down floor? That's all well & good when you have a potent offensive player who's good enough to command a double team... but doing it just for the sake of doing it ridiculous IMO and isn't making the team any better.
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Who said Mike James was a stud?

If the coaching staff is encouraging Barbosa to have tunnel vision and go 1 on 5 then I'm very disappointed with them. And no, DD doesn't get a pass either.

What about some genuine ball movement involving the bigs? Cutting off the ball? Setting screens? Running plays that don't involve isos every time down floor? That's all well & good when you have a potent offensive player who's good enough to command a double team... but doing it just for the sake of doing it ridiculous IMO and isn't making the team any better.
In a shortened season without a true camp and a new coaching staff.... you need to allow for some time. And don't worry, DD gets enough passes atm.
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Old 01-24-2012, 03:51 PM   #57 (permalink)
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IF BC is trying to get Nash this summer, then hes keeping barby, Nash loves barbosa, did you see the video series they made on Phoenix?

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Old 01-24-2012, 03:55 PM   #58 (permalink)
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Old 01-24-2012, 03:57 PM   #59 (permalink)
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^ LOL love barbosa
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Old 01-24-2012, 04:09 PM   #60 (permalink)
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Is it so wrong to want an entertaining player on our team during this rebuilding "phase"?
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