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Dude, you have the No.1 Overall Pick. When you have the No.1 pick you get your franchise player. You don't have to wait for other teams to make their choice, you get to make the first choice amongst all the players. That when franchises built their team around Dwight Howard, Leborn James, Derrick Rose, Yao Ming or when franchises fall when they use their No.1 pick on Michael Olowokandi or Kwame Brown. Take out Bosh from this team, and see how Bargnani does as your #1 option? You'll see Toronto become a lottery team for many years.
Dude, read my post about the mock draft predictions. I provided a link to the mock drafts posted on NBA.com in 2006. So, are you telling everyone here that you knew better than all the analysts? Not one of them had Roy higher than 4, and most had Roy at 5th or outside the top 5.

Olowokandi and Brown are REALLY bad analogies. First off, in their first 3 years, neither one of them showed the offensive potential Bargs demonstrated last year. Second, neither one of them was a consensus pick amongst analysts. Prior to the draft, a number of analysts were actually against those picks when it became public that they might go first. So, in terms of what we could expect from Colangelo ON DRAFT DAY, your analogy is terrible. Few, if any, were saying BC was doing something stupid at the time. On the other hand, some people were saying drafting Brown or Olowokandi was dumb. Bad analogy, bro.
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Dude, you have the No.1 Overall Pick. When you have the No.1 pick you get your franchise player. You don't have to wait for other teams to make their choice, you get to make the first choice amongst all the players. That when franchises built their team around Dwight Howard, Leborn James, Derrick Rose, Yao Ming or when franchises fall when they use their No.1 pick on Michael Olowokandi or Kwame Brown. Take out Bosh from this team, and see how Bargnani does as your #1 option? You'll see Toronto become a lottery team for many years.
Wanna point me in the direction of the flat out stud of a franchise guys that exists out of Bargnani's draft.

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Dude, you have the No.1 Overall Pick. When you have the No.1 pick you get your franchise player. You don't have to wait for other teams to make their choice, you get to make the first choice amongst all the players. That when franchises built their team around Dwight Howard, Leborn James, Derrick Rose, Yao Ming or when franchises fall when they use their No.1 pick on Michael Olowokandi or Kwame Brown. Take out Bosh from this team, and see how Bargnani does as your #1 option? You'll see Toronto become a lottery team for many years.
dude, when you have the #1 pick a franchise player is not a lock. there may be no franchise players in the draft, and, as in roy's case, the franchise player that is there may not appear to anyone - experts included - as a guy that has franchise potential. as i said before, that's some sweet hindsight!
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Old 11-27-2009, 11:28 AM   #24 (permalink)
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aldridge is redundant with Bosh and is just as perimiter oriented. gay is an overrated chucker who doesn't really play d and wouldn't help much either, and roy was on no one's board as a top 3 pick let alone #1. that's some sweet hindsight you got there rapman.
Aldridge is a more consistent scorer than Bargnani, and play much better D. If Memphis offered Rudy Gay for Bargnani, I think most Rap fans would offer to drive Bargnani to the Airport. All the interviews before the draft, BC had put a red flag on Aldridge and Roy because of their history of injuries.
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which is a very prudent thing to do when making a choice in the position Colangelo was in.
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we already have bosh, so aldridge is redundant, even if he is more consistent than bargs. and we didn't know about that consistency issue at draft time, so, yeah... hindsight... and i wouldn't trade Bargs for gay. it's lateral at best and doesn't help our d or give us a useable centre.
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Old 11-27-2009, 11:37 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Dude, you have the No.1 Overall Pick. When you have the No.1 pick you get your franchise player. You don't have to wait for other teams to make their choice, you get to make the first choice amongst all the players. That when franchises built their team around Dwight Howard, Leborn James, Derrick Rose, Yao Ming or when franchises fall when they use their No.1 pick on Michael Olowokandi or Kwame Brown. Take out Bosh from this team, and see how Bargnani does as your #1 option? You'll see Toronto become a lottery team for many years.
since when is Aldridge a franchise player?
since when is rudy gay a franchise player?
in reality, they are in the same boat as bargnani... good, solid players.

the only one who could be considered a franchise player (now) from the 2006 draft class is Roy. but guess what? no one predicted that. no one.
and thats the way drafts work. some players explode, others bomb. if you are shitting on BC for picking up a 17/7 player who is getting better each month he's been in the league, and who will resign here for probably his entire NBA career, then you are in your own world.
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Old 11-27-2009, 11:44 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Brandon Roy is not a franchise player.

He is a 2-guard.

Franchise 2-guards have names like Lebron, Kobe, and Dwayne.

(lebron plays like 6 positions so he is allowed to be a 2)
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Brandon Roy is not a franchise player.

He is a 2-guard.

Franchise 2-guards have names like Lebron, Kobe, and Dwayne.

(lebron plays like 6 positions so he is allowed to be a 2)

6 positions? Does that include coach and general manager?
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1 - No analysts were expecting Roy or Gay to go # 1. Andrea Bargnani was a virtual consensus #1 pick by major mock drafts.
I remember an interview with BC after drafting AB in which he said he expected Brandon Roy to be the Rookie of the Year, but the Raps didn't need a PG.
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Brandon Roy is not a franchise player.

He is a 2-guard.

Franchise 2-guards have names like Lebron, Kobe, and Dwayne.

(lebron plays like 6 positions so he is allowed to be a 2)
agreed.

and the more i think about this, the sillier it gets....
this is ALL speculation.
lets play this guessing game, shall we? i guarantee that if we would have selected Gay or Aldridge and they were putting up 17 and 7 this season, and AB was on Memphis killing it over there on that squad, Rapman would probably complaining that we should have selected Bargnani, and that Gay and Aldridge arent franchise players.
its all speculation.
if you look at the big picture, BC grabbed a big man who continues to get better, puts up very solid numbers, and will most likely stay in Toronto for his entire career (unlike most of our previous draftees).
this is a good thing by all accounts.
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I like these, but i think the JO trade should be first.

Oh and for anyone who thinks a guy who is averaging 18/6.5 doesent diserve 10 mill a year your crazy (and his numbers continue to climb)
Ya I said in no apparent order because the DeRo signing will be evaluated in a manner of time.

I think people don't realize what crap BC had to work off of before he came here.

As for the JO trade he did get himself out of that problem rather fast which most bad GMs wouldn't.
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since when is Aldridge a franchise player?
since when is rudy gay a franchise player?
in reality, they are in the same boat as bargnani... good, solid players.

the only one who could be considered a franchise player (now) from the 2006 draft class is Roy. but guess what? no one predicted that. no one.
and thats the way drafts work. some players explode, others bomb. if you are shitting on BC for picking up a 17/7 player who is getting better each month he's been in the league, and who will resign here for probably his entire NBA career, then you are in your own world.
I'm not the only one who believes that the Bosh and Bargnani tandem can't work. You don't team your real franchsie player who is a finesse player with the softest center in the league. I would prefer Rudy Gay who give you more production than Bargnani, and get a tradtional center to help Bosh in the frontcourt. There is a reason why Portland shelled out 15 million per year for Aldridge, and Bargnani got 10 million per year. Aldridge is a much better player than Bargnani. He also plays at both ends of the floor. You should watch more Portland games, you'll notice a big difference in their games.
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Aldridge is a more consistent scorer than Bargnani, and play much better D. If Memphis offered Rudy Gay for Bargnani, I think most Rap fans would offer to drive Bargnani to the Airport. All the interviews before the draft, BC had put a red flag on Aldridge and Roy because of their history of injuries.
Smart move at the time with a team coming off a 27 win season and no Centre. The fact is he wasn't the only one, and i for one would Keep Bargnani over GAY and choose to hide the car that drives Bargs to the Airport.
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I'm not the only one who believes that the Bosh and Bargnani tandem can't work. You don't team your real franchsie player who is a finesse player with the softest center in the league. I would prefer Rudy Gay who give you more production than Bargnani, and get a tradtional center to help Bosh in the frontcourt. There is a reason why Portland shelled out 15 million per year for Aldridge, and Bargnani got 10 million per year. Aldridge is a much better player than Bargnani. He also plays at both ends of the floor. You should watch more Portland games, you'll notice a big difference in their games.
aldridge is absolutely not a good defensive player. neither is gay.

and who is this traditional centre you would have paired with gay? i'd love to hear a reasonable suggestion instead of just complaints with nothing but vague pronouncements about player types.
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6 positions? Does that include coach and general manager?
yep, and a few others that he makes up as he goes.
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Number 1 is Ford, Rasho, and a 1st for JO. Changed the direction of the team from lets build patiently to omg lets make the 2nd round now to make Bosh happy!!! Just killed us
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we already have bosh, so aldridge is redundant.
You're against having redundant players but you are in support of both the Bargnani exntension AND the getting Turkoglu move?

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pretty ironic if u ask me.
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I remember an interview with BC after drafting AB in which he said he expected Brandon Roy to be the Rookie of the Year, but the Raps didn't need a PG.
BC may well have said that. But saying a guy will be Rookie of the Year is NOT the same thing as saying you think he is the best player in the draft with the most upside. Rookie of the years are frequently NOT the best player in the draft, but rather the player who gets the most opportunity to showcase their skills. I'm sure other GMs thought Brandon Roy might win the Rookie of the Year, too. Colangelo was just stating the obvious. Roy was one of the more NBA ready players, but, again, that didn't mean people thought he had the most upside. Also, Roy was playing for a team that was shitty at the time, so most people knew he would get more minutes and touches during his rookie season than other rookies in that draft class.

Bargs was drafted based on long term potential, not what he'd do in a rookie season. Remember Nowitzki? Remember your Olowokandi analogy? Well, Nowitzki is the only guy who won the MVP from the 1999 draft, but nobody would have ever thought he'd win rookie of the year, because he was a project, just like Colangelo knew that Bargs was a project. BC didn't think he was drafting the player who would be best during the rookie season, he was drafting for the long haul. When you draft talent, you take into account what you think they'll do over their career, not the first couple of year. Some players take more time to develop.
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Hiring Triano, he is not head coach material. He does not have what you see in good coaches. He is too timid, and does not stand up for his players. He fails to motivate the team.

Hiring him, especially with who is available (Avery Johnson, Jeff Van Gundy, etc), is a bad move. Most recently Byron Scott was let go, he would be a great one to take over, especially after what we have seen from Triano.
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