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Old 10-20-2008, 04:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Another Raptors blogger RaptorTalk thinks that "Andrea Bargnani looks like he's an all new man" this season. Would you guys agree or disagree with him?

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Il Mago Shows Promise: Andrea Bargnani looks like he's an all new man. While its too early to start printing his name on All-Star ballots, there is a definite improvement in Andrea this year. He is more aggressive on defence and is willing to contest shots on the perimeter instead of settling for an occassional hand wave while his man nails a virtually uncontested 3 ball.

Bargnani is fighting for boards under the basket and is mastering the old Rasho tap-out as a way to retain offensive possessions when a clear board is not available. The 'deer in the headlights' look is gone and he has much better overall court awareness.

Having said that, Andrea still needs to improve in many facets fo his game. However, he certainly seems to have arrived in camp with an improved mindset and a stronger, more aggressive frame.

All in all, its still not possible to get an accurate read on this year's Raptors. No doubt, the lack of depth is an area that will hurt the Raptors at times this season, particularly if they are hit by the injury bug.

Nonetheless, I am cautiously optimistic that all goes well and that the Raptors could reach the 50 win plateau for the first time in franchise history.
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Old 10-20-2008, 05:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Yes, from what I have seen on TV he most certainly looks like a new player.

Gone are the visions of an out of place 7 footer looking like hes playing on a high school team. Now he looks like he can actually play.
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Old 10-20-2008, 05:26 PM   #3 (permalink)
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he still jumps on too many fakes and jumpshots...but he is starting to understand that not many player can shoot over 7 footers.

he is playing like he actually cares to get better. he is starting to "get it".
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Old 10-20-2008, 05:29 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Does kind of make you wonder if his adenoid issue was really the root of all his problems last season from a conditioning stand point.

I mean, he's not out of the clear just yet but even I'll admit he looks much improved this pre-season compared to last.
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Old 10-20-2008, 05:29 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I have seen some definite improvements, mostly on offence and, pleasantly, around the basket. His confidence has obviously grown as well.

If he continues with those drives and starts hustling more for rebounds at both ends of the floor - watch out, he might turn out to be a decent #1 after all.

P.S. Why is it that on a Canadian forum the spell-checker disagrees with the word "offence"?
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Old 10-20-2008, 05:30 PM   #6 (permalink)
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thats offencive that you would even mention that!
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Old 10-20-2008, 05:33 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I have seen some definite improvements, mostly on offence and, pleasantly, around the basket. His confidence has obviously grown as well.

If he continues with those drives and starts hustling more for rebounds at both ends of the floor - watch out, he might turn out to be a decent #1 after all.

P.S. Why is it that on a Canadian forum the spell-checker disagrees with the word "offence"?
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Old 10-20-2008, 05:34 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I agree ++++++ and many times I've said Andrea is the KEY ... So far, so good!
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Old 10-20-2008, 06:47 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I haven't been able to see him play yet, but it sounds like he's fitting into his roll pretty well. His lack of rebounds and defensive play were pretty frustrating the last couple of years.

Great to hear of him playing some bigman ball. If he's still got the touch from outside (one of the prettiest shots in the game,) and he has his drives timed properly, he's going to be a tough match-up and the Raps are going to be winning some games
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Old 10-20-2008, 07:00 PM   #10 (permalink)
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ONe thing I love that Andrea is doing, is getting fouled and oing to the strike. I swear he probably has more free throws in the pre season then the rest of his team
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Old 10-20-2008, 07:00 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I got to see him live and up close. He's pretty quick this year, and bigger.

I still think Bargnani is two years away from his potential, but he's moving along nicely.
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Old 10-20-2008, 07:01 PM   #12 (permalink)
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"oing to the strike"

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Old 10-20-2008, 09:26 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Bargs looks better and more agressive on O, and he's willing to grab a couple more rebounds on D.

He also looks a lot more confident out there, which should help him big time.

However, I have also seen him still coasting or unaware of where the ball is on D far too many times this preseason. His defensive/rebounding awareness is still pretty bad. Also, for whatever reason, the guy just does not dunk very much. He likes to lay it in, rather than go for the sure thing.
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:50 PM   #14 (permalink)
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He needs to finish with the nice poster dunks. I like those.
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The way I look at it is this way: A dunk is all fine and dandy. You went with authority and you got to the rim. A lay up in traffic though is more deflating. It's like saying, I could've dunked this, but no, I spit on the "no lay up" rule.

But I was talking to my brother yesterday and we both noticed that his mindset seems to have changed quite a bit. One play yesterday against the Lakers demonstrated it, he was on the baseline, pump fake and he was gone to the rim and got to the line. I forget that he's only 23 too. Jesus, he can be a scary player.
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I don't know? He's averaging 4.5 RPG in 27 MPG.He needs to get better in rebounding.I don't see that yet.Not consistently.His PPG will probably go up by the looks of it but he really needs to improve on the rebounding aspect of his game!
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Old 10-20-2008, 10:46 PM   #17 (permalink)
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The way I look at it is this way: A dunk is all fine and dandy. You went with authority and you got to the rim. A lay up in traffic though is more deflating. It's like saying, I could've dunked this, but no, I spit on the "no lay up" rule.

But I was talking to my brother yesterday and we both noticed that his mindset seems to have changed quite a bit. One play yesterday against the Lakers demonstrated it, he was on the baseline, pump fake and he was gone to the rim and got to the line. I forget that he's only 23 too. Jesus, he can be a scary player.
At that level, the dunk isn't for show anymore, especially in the paint. If youčre gonna play center, you need to get to the rim, or else you're shot will always be changed, or blocked.
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I dunno SJ, I remember watching the Pacers/Lakers final, and it was either Smits or Davis who got a lay up against Robert Horry and Jackson calls an immediate time out right after and looked pretty pissed. I wondered why? Walton (when he was still sane) stated it was because of the lay up.

A dunk works to pump up the crowd and possibly your team. I still seem to agree with them and their argument. Again, 2 points is 2 points.
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He's not there yet. Certainly is showing improvement, but still too many flashes of 07-08 Bargs. It was so frustrating to watch Al Jefferson manhandle him even though Bargs makes him look like a midget. I am also a fool for putting any expectations on him to be a post player, I know.

(I am PRO-bargs btw).

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At that level, the dunk isn't for show anymore, especially in the paint. If youčre gonna play center, you need to get to the rim, or else you're shot will always be changed, or blocked.
I'm with SJ on this one Claudius.

The players who can dunk are the ones who get guaranteed points, because otherwise, when you get hacked, chances are the ball isn't going into the net anymore.

Players who take it strong to the basket and have good position to dunk are either going to dunk or get fouled. Players who try to make little layups (see: Willis, Kevin) are going to blow the layup half the time and not get a trip to the free throw line.

Yes, getting an uncontested layup can be debilitating to the other team's morale, but if you are going to try to score in traffic, go up with authority so you either get the points or the foul (or both). Don't always go for that dipsy-doodle move where you stretch your arms around the D and try to lay it in. Bargs is 7' tall and has long arms, but if he was a threat to dunk it every time he was in the paint (like Dwight Howard) then he'd really be unguardable.
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