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Old 07-09-2009, 10:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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After yesterday’s Star-Trek related post, the title of this morning’s may suggest that I’m continuing with the sci-fi theme and using X Files as the analogy for today.

And while I was a big fan of the show, and even David Duchovny’s sleaze-filled performances in Californiacation, that’s not the case.

Instead, the title simply reflects that while I’ve been quite skeptical of Colangelo’s work so far this off-season, I hope more than anything that I’m wrong in my criticism. After all, it now sounds like he’s managed to extract two wing players from Dallas via last night’s convoluted sign-and-trade for Shawn Marion; something that seemed unfathomable just days ago.

To top it off, from the sounds of things and because of this deal, it also seems like BC now has regained the mid-level exception!

If this isn’t a stroke of genius I’m not sure what is frankly.

Marion looked to be a goner, the team was cash-strapped despite what the most ardent fans would have you believe, and as I wrote yesterday, after the top four guys, this team was essentially a Klingon (Evans), a member of the Borg (Humphries) and the security crew in red shirts from the original Star Trek series.

Now, things are starting to look quite different.

While neither are stars, both Devean George and Antoine Wright are upgrades over…um…nothing, which was in essence what Toronto was working with at the wing positions outside of DeMar DeRozan and Hedo.

In fact, you could argue I think that this could be Bryan Colangelo's best trade yet, one-upping getting something for nothing in the Hoffa deal.

Because of his size defensive abilities, I could even see Wright starting at the 2, suddenly giving Toronto a very big starting line-up, with spots 2 through 5 being manned by players 6-7 and over.

The possible arrival of Wright is ironic in fact considering that a) he essentially replaces Joey Graham as another forward from that draft class who has failed to live up to expectations and b) this was a player as one of our readers pointed out, who the master of condescension Doug Smith referred to as being essentially useless and out of the league this season.

Interesting then this morning that suddenly Mr. Smith is referring to him as “serviceable” isn’t it?

Now Toronto’s line-up (including the mid-level) could foreseeably look something like this:

PG: Jose Calderon, Roko Ukic, Marcus Banks
SG: Antoine Wright, Carlos Delfino, DeMar DeRozan,
SF: Hedo Turkoglu, Linas Kleiza, Devean George
PF: Chris Bosh, Reggie Evans, Nathan Jawai
C: Andrea Bargnani, Patrick O’Bryant

That’s a bit better isn’t it?

I plan on looking at the impact of these additions statistically once things become official but on paper, this is already a better scenario than 24 hours ago and don’t expect the Legomaster to rest on his laurels.

In fact looking at that roster, she’s a bit thin up front so I wouldn’t be surprised to see Toronto go after only one of Delfino or Kleiza, and use the rest of the mid-level on a respectable big man. (Rasho?)

I’d still like to see a bit more athleticism added into the mix and perhaps a real back-up PG, but it’s tough to complain much when Colangelo managed to rid the team of Humphries’ contract and fill some gaps all in one fell swoop.

Do I still feel that the team should have waited until next year to sign Andrea?

Yes, this is still something that I can’t understand.

With the salary cap expected to fall sharply, I’m still bewildered as to why you pay Bargs $10 Million now, when you could probably get him for half that next year? It's not like he's going to be an unrestricted free-agent so Toronto can always up the ante to match and based on the league’s financial situation, I’d fall out of my chair if that amount ended up exceeding what they’re presently paying him.

Think about this for a second.

If the cap falls down to the $50 to $53 Million range, that means everything else, mid-level included will drop. This year's restricted free-agents are having serious trouble getting the offers they feel they deserve (see Lee, Millsap and Marvin Williams) mostly because of teams tightening wallets and over-spending on unrestricted free-agents with mediocre upsides like Ben Gordon.

So how bad is it going to be next year when names like James, Wade, Nowitzki and Stoudemire could be available unrestricted?

Does anyone really think that suddenly teams are going to throw $12 Million at Bargs knowing that Toronto could look to match? That scenario hasn’t unfolded this summer with much less talent on the market so I’m not sure why things would suddenly change next summer when there’s LESS money to be had!

Both with that and the Hedo signing I really think that Bryan Colangelo is rolling the dice here but I understand that at times as a GM that’s what you’ve got to do.

Sometimes it results in an over-the-hill Jermaine O’Neal, sometimes it results in drafting Amare Stoudemire.

It’s much easier however for me to swallow said gambles when other more sure-fire pieces are put into place around these moves. The proposed Marion sign-and-trade isn’t alleviating all my concerns, but it’s certainly helping.

Again, I want to believe that BC’s big moves are indeed shrewd maneuvers that take this team to the top.

He’s made some major changes to last year’s motley crew, and now I’m just hoping for a few more Lego pieces over the next while to really get me excited about next season.
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Old 07-09-2009, 10:27 AM   #2 (permalink)
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What about the PF position? Bosh and Evans? Jawai should be listed at center.

I agree, the roster is better. Colangelo has not made many trades as Raptors GM but this is the best one. It freed up so much space for them to become an impact team. Its sad how some(fans on the major sports sites) just look at the skill of the players involved and make judgement that way. There is far more to it than that.
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Old 07-09-2009, 10:28 AM   #3 (permalink)
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It was a career defining move, easily the best trade he's pulled since being here. It goes so much further than simply Antoine Wright and Devean George; the cap space created by the trade allows him to create depth that will support the starting five for years.
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I love this trade adn I love BC. He pulled this off when it seemed impossible. Cudo's to him and I have to agree it is the BEST TRADE EVER, atleast for Raps fans
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I'm not sure "career defining move" is what it was. It was a good move but this trade doesn't secure them a NBA championship or anything. I think a career defining move would be one involving Chris Bosh, the franchise player. The Vince Carter trade defined Babcock's career. If Colangelo has to move Bosh it will define his career in Toronto.
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It was a career defining move, easily the best trade he's pulled since being here. It goes so much further than simply Antoine Wright and Devean George; the cap space created by the trade allows him to create depth that will support the starting five for years.
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Defining move by BC for sure. This solitifies his standing in the league.
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Its his best move so far...wait for the banks deal he will makelol.
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Its his best move so far...wait for the banks deal he will makelol.
To move Banks the Raptors will have to take back someone else's problem.
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I'm not sure "career defining move" is what it was. It was a good move but this trade doesn't secure them a NBA championship or anything. I think a career defining move would be one involving Chris Bosh, the franchise player. The Vince Carter trade defined Babcock's career. If Colangelo has to move Bosh it will define his career in Toronto.
Keep in mind the trade did involve Turkoglu, at a pretty hefty price tag. Any transaction involving substantial risk as the Turkoglu deal does could turn out to be a career defining move, be it for better or worse.
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It's gotta rate up there as one of the most complicated ones.
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Keep in mind the trade did involve Turkoglu, at a pretty hefty price tag. Any transaction involving substantial risk as the Turkoglu deal does could turn out to be a career defining move, be it for better or worse.
I believe you guys are jumping the gun. If this deal leads to Bosh staying then you're right, its his career defining move but if not then his career defining move will be what he does with Bosh.
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I think this move insulates the team either way. If Bosh bolts, at least we still have a respectable line-up to work with.

If he stays, the boys might get out of the first round.
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Its a great trade and nothing else. Colangelo has made bigger trades in his career already.
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Its a great trade and nothing else. Colangelo has made bigger trades in his career already.
name a few.
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Marbury and Penny traded to the Knicks. His best move ever.
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Do we have the MLE now? How much cap space do we have?
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With the salary cap expected to fall sharply, I’m still bewildered as to why you pay Bargs $10 Million now, when you could probably get him for half that next year?

What is this guy smoking.

I ripped him yesterday, I'l do it today. How can anyone thaty follows the game of basketball, and who concentrates on the Raptors, think for one moment that Bargnani is gooing to actually go backwards in his developement??? Wow.

There's a gamble. DON'T sign Bargs, max out your cap, and hope and pray he sucks large enough to sign him for 5 million?

Thats the single most illogical thing I have read on here in at least a year.

WTF?
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With the salary cap expected to fall sharply, Iím still bewildered as to why you pay Bargs $10 Million now, when you could probably get him for half that next year?

What is this guy smoking.

I ripped him yesterday, I'l do it today. How can anyone thaty follows the game of basketball, and who concentrates on the Raptors, think for one moment that Bargnani is gooing to actually go backwards in his developement??? Wow.

There's a gamble. DON'T sign Bargs, max out your cap, and hope and pray he sucks large enough to sign him for 5 million?

Thats the single most illogical thing I have read on here in at least a year.

WTF?

Thank you, as I was about to post this.
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Yes I dont understand the criticism of the Bargs extension...yesterday Pachulia and Varejao got large generous extensions as well (i believe Varejao's was 50 mill/6 years which is pretty close to bargnani's and he isn't half the player Bargnani is) I think bargnani;s extension is another positive signing for the raps. The guy loves the city, he has tremendous upside and has shown already that he is a potential all star... so why wait till next year ,,, just give him his contract now and give him the peace of mind before he goes on national duty.
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Thank you, as I was about to post this.
I spoke nicely of you in a post recently.

So now were even.
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