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Old 12-25-2013, 01:44 AM   #161 (permalink)
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We might have different definitions of blowing it up, but to me It would be moving Lowry and DD. So yes I do think he will blow it up
Blowing it up would be trading them for not much that can help us now. Imo I doubt he trades DD anyway. To me blowing it up is basically tanking which I don't see happening whatsoever.
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Old 12-25-2013, 02:04 AM   #162 (permalink)
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My personal definition of blowing it up would be trading away high impact players for stuff that won't help you win in the present. Lowry is as good as gone, and I don't see us getting a PG or any player better than him in that trade, in which case it's likely we blow it up.
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My personal definition of blowing it up would be trading away high impact players for stuff that won't help you win in the present. Lowry is as good as gone, and I don't see us getting a PG or any player better than him in that trade, in which case it's likely we blow it up.
That's not a blowup. Trade KL/DD/AJ for picks, prospects and shitty players on expirings. That's a blowup.
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That's not a blowup. Trade KL/DD/AJ for picks, prospects and shitty players on expirings. That's a blowup.
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trading away high impact players for stuff that won't help you win in the present
Is that not what I described? And you don't have the blow it all to dust, just detonate on the parts you don't need anymore. We can blow it up while keeping Demar or Amir, maybe even both if the absence of Lowry really hurts the team. I can't see MU keeping all three past the deadline. At most two of them.
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Old 12-25-2013, 02:22 AM   #165 (permalink)
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My thoughts exactly. Rudy and Kyle weren't really in the long term plans.... not surprising if they're both gone by the deadline.

Maybe my head is in the clouds but I don't think that this team minus Lowry is as bad as some might think. To be clear I'm not saying that we won't struggle at times.... but I don't think we'll be bad enough to be a bottom 5 team.
When Lowry is gone someone else will step up. Could be GV or who knows what are we gonna get back in return. Look at DJ in Chicago killing it!
Like you, I don't believe we are gonna be a bottom 5 team.
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Old 12-25-2013, 02:30 AM   #166 (permalink)
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When Lowry is gone someone else will step up. Could be GV or who knows what are we gonna get back in return. Look at DJ in Chicago killing it!
Like you, I don't believe we are gonna be a bottom 5 team.
We'll be lucky to be bottom ten imo.
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Old 12-25-2013, 02:39 AM   #167 (permalink)
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Ujiri isn't trading away DD for garbage and opposing teams aren't gonna cough up a 1st for DD either. For Amir,it's the same deal. The earliest they may get moved is around or on draft day,maybe at the beginning of the free agency period. Lowry won't be dealt for the sake of just being dealt either just because he's a pending free agent in the off season. Lowry is the most likely to go but only in a situation where a team that has championship or deep playoff aspirations losses their starting PG. Pro tankers needed to put it to rest and just enjoy this team play hard for now. When April comes they can worry about if its beneficial to try and win games still.
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Old 12-25-2013, 03:02 AM   #168 (permalink)
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I agree. Pro tankers should take a chill pill. This team is playing some good D and play hard. So we lost to the Spurs, big deal! Like everyone, I don't want to be on the treadmill but I don't believe that tanking is the solution. You don't build a winning franchise by being the joke around the league.
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Old 12-25-2013, 07:31 AM   #169 (permalink)
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I agree. Pro tankers should take a chill pill. This team is playing some good D and play hard. So we lost to the Spurs, big deal! Like everyone, I don't want to be on the treadmill but I don't believe that tanking is the solution. You don't build a winning franchise by being the joke around the league.
You don't build a winning franchise with a mediocre roster nor "winning" meaningless games neither. It'd be different if we had a capable core in place with nowhere to go but up. Y'all keep this up we'll stay in no-man's land.
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Old 12-25-2013, 09:29 AM   #170 (permalink)
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Not to be a dick but I hate that every time someone posts something pro tank they get thumbs downed
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Old 12-25-2013, 10:24 AM   #171 (permalink)
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I agree. Pro tankers should take a chill pill. This team is playing some good D and play hard. So we lost to the Spurs, big deal! Like everyone, I don't want to be on the treadmill but I don't believe that tanking is the solution. You don't build a winning franchise by being the joke around the league.
Yes, because this team's only loss of the season was vs the Spurs, right? By my count we're 2-9 vs. teams with a .500+ record. This is not a team that will contend. We've lost to teams like the Bobcats twice, Atlanta, Rose-less Chicago, etc.

Speaking of the Bobcats, that's an example of a somewhat failed tank (bad drafting and bad luck in the lottery, again suffering from a bad GM) , and yet they're still better than we are this year. They were able to sign Al Jefferson despite being the "joke around the league", and they have built a team as good as ours. Had they not reached with the Zeller pick they'd likely be in a much better situation, but that's just why you always pick BPA.
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Old 12-25-2013, 11:36 AM   #172 (permalink)
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Not to be a dick but I hate that every time someone posts something pro tank they get thumbs downed
A win in OKC and some basketball that isn't horrible to watch really affects people and will do that. Even if the post is phenomenal and well articulated. But you can take solace in the fact that people don't reply to it and just use thumbs down instead.
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Old 12-25-2013, 11:41 AM   #173 (permalink)
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Demar started the season on fire but he's been very inefficient since then and his TS% is actually below the league average.
+ for the first time in his career- this season his WS/48 minutes is slightly below, on or slightly above the league average. I love how people thumbs down you for stating a stat/providing a fact. I've always felt there's a real fear of advanced stats by some on here.
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Old 12-25-2013, 11:45 AM   #174 (permalink)
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Also, if KL goes, this team loses one of its 2 best players, with the other being Amir, so yes, it will definitely not aid the team.
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Old 12-25-2013, 12:54 PM   #175 (permalink)
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Also, if KL goes, this team loses one of its 2 best players, with the other being Amir, so yes, it will definitely not aid the team.
Vasqez
Derozan
Ross
Amir
Valanciunas

+whatever we get in a KL trade.

Too good for a bottom 5 finish imo.
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I agree. Pro tankers should take a chill pill. This team is playing some good D and play hard. So we lost to the Spurs, big deal! Like everyone, I don't want to be on the treadmill but I don't believe that tanking is the solution. You don't build a winning franchise by being the joke around the league.
Too bad, because it's not about what you believe. It has been proven many times that you can build a team through the draft and smart management of assets. You can also build it through winning culture and smart management of assets. 2nd route requires more luck imo.
Just because you don't like tanking it doesn't mean it can't be a ''solution''.
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Vasqez
Derozan
Ross
Amir
Valanciunas

+whatever we get in a KL trade.

Too good for a bottom 5 finish imo.
With KL being gone and GV playing around 30 pmg u have a defensive backcourt akin to your boy Jose and DD. Top 6 or 7 isn't bad.
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Too bad, because it's not about what you believe. It has been proven many times that you can build a team through the draft and smart management of assets. You can also build it through winning culture and smart management of assets. 2nd route requires more luck imo.
Just because you don't like tanking it doesn't mean it can't be a ''solution''.
Indeed. + before people mention Indy. Indy drafted much better than the raps, got a little lucky getting who they got, and were much much much better off financially than Toronto at the moment and in the past few years.
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Old 12-25-2013, 02:04 PM   #179 (permalink)
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Too bad, because it's not about what you believe. It has been proven many times that you can build a team through the draft and smart management of assets. You can also build it through winning culture and smart management of assets. 2nd route requires more luck imo.
Just because you don't like tanking it doesn't mean it can't be a ''solution''.
Doesn't matter what you believe or Tommy believes. Matters what Masai believes.
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Old 12-25-2013, 02:20 PM   #180 (permalink)
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Who came to play with Dwyane Wade? No one? I thought some big center came to play with him. They won a championship. Meh, can't remember.

I think someone else came to play with him recently too, though I can't remember. Couple of people, I thought. Oh well.

Did anyone sign in free agency to play with Blake Griffin? I can't remember. Darn this memory of mine.

I can't recall if anyone ever went to play with Kobe in LA. He just won a bunch of championships all by himself right? He definitely didn't have any help from any Hall of Fame big men, right?

If only I could remember...
1. Kobe Bryant was drafted 17 years ago. That's a pretty far reach. It's also a pretty far reach to assume that Shaq, the most dominant big in the NBA, went to LA to play with kid out of high school, regardless of how much hype went with him. Shaq went to LA because he wanted to be the man in LA. You really think Shaq would have followed Kobe to Milwaukee?

2. Wade had a polished game and a knack for winning. He definitely had the type of ability that can attract other big names right away. So are you suggesting the trick is passing on the next Lebron and drafting the next D. Wade? I'm not sure that's a scenario that is easily forecasted. L


3. Paul definitely went to play with Blake, despite his best efforts to work something out with D-Howard in one of three other markets first and foremost.

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