Raptors on the Treadmill to Mediocrity Behind Bosh & Calderon
Old 11-24-2008, 10:06 AM   #1 (permalink)
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WOW .... another dandy from this Robert Seagal from the Bleacher Report. I'm critical of Bosh too, but this is ridiculous.

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ome have called Chris Bosh a top-five talent in this league today, an MVP candidate to be exact. I say, he's a scorer with solid rebounding skills, who's more of a tweener between small forward and power forward. Unfortunately, he is unable to guard either position well enough to be considered a legitimate superstar.

In order to clear space to sign one, or perhaps two members of the 2010 free agency class, the New York Knicks traded Zach Randolph away for spare parts. So, I said to myself, "I hope they're not targeting Bosh." You see, if you take away the 40 plus minutes, and the 20 plus shot attempts, Chris Bosh is a finesse version of Zach Randolph.

Another player who gets a little more love than deserved from the Toronto media, would have to be Jose Calderon. Perhaps the plan to paint him as a saint last season has blinded people to his inabilities on the court.

His defense is awful, and his ability to truly make people better is questionable. Some might argue that he makes Bosh better, but I'm not sure if passing the ball to a player every time down the court on an isolation or pick-and-roll sequence counts. One might say that Calderon passes to Bosh. That's it.

No team can win a championship if its two best players are it's two worst defensive players. It just doesn't work. The media is quick to criticize Jermaine O'Neal for shooting horrid percentages, Andrea Bargnani and Anthony Parker for their inconsistency, and even Roko Ukic/ Will Solomon for their turnovers, but it's these guys who are keeping this team afloat.

This team can't go anywhere behind the Bosh-Calderon tandem, unless you add three world class defenders around them to mask their issues.

Then you have to deal with another ugly side of their games, which people seem to turn a blind eye to. This is where Bosh inches even closer to Randolph, Antawn Jamison, and guys like Shareef Abdur Rahim. He makes no one but himself better.

You'll often see him diving into triple teams, and rarely will he make a pass out of it. Think about it. You have Bosh being compared at times to Garnett and Duncan, when those guys are clearly miles ahead of him, both defensively and in terms of making their teammates much better.

Once you take those factors out of their games, you're left basically with your traditional stat-stuffer big guys like Randolph and Abdur-Rahim.
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Old 11-24-2008, 10:42 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Typically media guy overdramatizing and exagerating the truth. I agree with most of what he says about Calderon but the defensive criticism of Bosh is not fair. He's nowhere near one of the team's worst defenders and his heart alone weigh more than anything Abdur Rahim and Randolph possess in their entire bodies. I definitely agree there need to be better pieces around these two to become elite, particularly where defense comes into play.
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Old 11-24-2008, 11:09 AM   #3 (permalink)
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"Chris Bosh is a finesse version of Zach Randolph"

Whatever legitimate points the guy makes get seriously compromised when he writes garbage like this.
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Old 11-24-2008, 11:46 AM   #4 (permalink)
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And for him to even say that Roko and Will "7:4 turnover to assist ratio" Solomon are keeping this team afloat just completely negates the legitimacy of the article.
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Old 11-24-2008, 11:51 AM   #5 (permalink)
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When we go on a winning streak guys like this start the "Bosh deserves legitimate consideration for MVP" talk... When it rains it pours.


Here's my take: Bosh is a fantastic player, and he is playing his heart out right now. He's a star, a huge fan draw, a great personality, and I'm happy and proud to have him as the face of our franchise. But, he needs help. The problem is: Bosh is just not a good defensive player, and while his effort is admirable and his frustration is legitimate, he's just not being a leader on the defensive end.

A finesse version of Zach Randolph!?!? First of all, Zach Randolph is a finesse player, so I don't understand the comparison right off the bat. Second of all, Z-Bo is a one dimensional scorer who brings zero intangibles to the table. Z-Bo is a black hole, just plain lazy on D, and has that wonderful team-cancer gene that half of the former Portland Trailblazer roster used to have. Bosh does everything that a star does except the savvy playing on the defensive end.

The other glaring problems, of course, are that we are getting torched nightly by every mediocre (and above) wing player in the league; Moon has regressed terribly, I want to say at the defensive end especially, but he's so afraid of contact that he's not scoring nearly as much either; Parker is a year older and his shots are hitting the front of the rim more than ever, Joey is barely less dumb than last year, and Kapono can't guard a chair. Oh yeah and Bargnani is getting in foul trouble every night, Mitchell refuses to play him once he gets a few fouls, and Jermaine's knee is back to the way it was last year.

Also, our backup PG situation has gone from one of the best in the league to one of the worst.

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Old 11-24-2008, 01:23 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I think he's dead right, when he says finesse version he probably means a better player with a similar style. They're both very good jump shooters, good rebounders, weak defenders, weak shot blockers. Zach has a (much) more developed post game than Bosh, but Bosh is much faster and can get to the line easier. You can find some quibble with this comparison, but you can't deny that both Bosh and Jose are weak defenders.
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:54 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I liked the article.
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Old 11-24-2008, 02:35 PM   #8 (permalink)
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People insult Randolph because he was on the Knicks and because of his past with the drugs, but the guy wants to win and gives it his all night in and night out, and there are a lot of similarities between him and Bosh on the court.

Both are known for their scoring, but both dont bring near the commitment to defence like they should. Randolph is slower though so it is a lot tougher for him to guard the new age PF's, but he does do a great job on the boards, whereas Bosh has no excuse to get pummeled inside night in and night out by guys smaller and slower than him. Hes nowhere near as aggressive as he should be on defence.
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Old 11-24-2008, 05:17 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Randolph is also having a good year averaging 20-10. he is a good player but sometimes he plays like a ball hog and that's the reason why I think Portland traded him
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:56 PM   #10 (permalink)
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What?!?! Parker not being consistent? What is this crap about? He is the most consistent Raptor defensively and you also have to consider that he gets the hardest match-ups every night so he has to focus his game on defense. To say something like this is just ridiculous and unfair.
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Old 11-24-2008, 08:47 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Alot of BS, but i do agree strongly that if your best two players are two of your worst, or the worst defensive players on the team, you cant win consistently.
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Old 11-25-2008, 12:56 AM   #12 (permalink)
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What?!?! Parker not being consistent? What is this crap about? He is the most consistent Raptor defensively and you also have to consider that he gets the hardest match-ups every night so he has to focus his game on defense. To say something like this is just ridiculous and unfair.
You dont wanna go down that road do you? I like Parker and he is still a good player, but this year these are some of the stat lines from guys who have gone against him:

Allen 21 3 3 8/12
VC 39 9 6 17/28
Dwade 40 11 3 16/30, 29 8 3 13/31
Iguodala 18 9 10 5/13
JJohnson 17 7 6 6/10
Hamilton 22 5 3 7/18

And with the last 3 although they didnt shoot it well(besides JJ) they got to the line a lot and caused defensive breakdowns leading to wide open shots, especially with Iggy and Johnson.

Parker is getting blown by more than any player in the NBA besides Calderon, but there should be more help before that player gets to Jermaine, and thats where Smitchs coaching fails. But again, Parker has been pathetic on defence, especially in the last couple of games.
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Parker has been pathetic on defence, especially in the last couple of games.
The first few games of the season he was fantastic. I wonder what happened.
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Old 11-25-2008, 01:28 AM   #14 (permalink)
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He was good in the Philly and GSW games, thats about it from what I can remember. Early season excitement I guess.
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Old 11-25-2008, 02:30 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Nice try, but we're NOT giving Bosh&Calderon away for a bag of potato.

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