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Old 11-30-2012, 02:40 PM   #141 (permalink)
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I admire your optimism jeff.... I do.... but this isn't Bruce Bowen or Artest that we're getting.... it's a player that's coming here about 5-6 years too late.

Classic Leafs move.
At some point we collected far too many young, timid players that collectively lack the high-end potential I'd suggest is paramount. Pietrus, while not a stud and having dealt with many injuries recently, has been on good teams and knows how to buy into a role. This team needs guys that can do that but also can help others realize that they need to as well. Going out and signing a struggling and largely unproven young player to be your glue guy on a team full of inconsistent young players is borderline linsanity in this fields of study.
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Old 11-30-2012, 02:49 PM   #142 (permalink)
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Again, gotta love these blanket statements. Lol

First of all, we don't know what impact he'll have on the rest of the team. Sometimes the smallest of moves shakes things up enough to get something going. Second, to say this guy is no better than McGuire is crazy. Third, he's motivated to play for another contract with us or someone else.

How about we wait a couple weeks and see what impact he might have. Then judge, he hasn't played in months so his first 5 games might be ugly. lol
Whatever. I think I've addressed my point in prior posts. Hence a statement like this.

Secondly, do you know what a blanket statement is? It is a lateral movement because:

a. In all honesty, is Pietrus that much better than any of the guys we have here? McGuire was and is a defensive role player. Pietrus is an offensive role player. The only benefit we will enjoy is on the offensive end, where to be honest, our problems have really been. It's been in execution. It's been defensively. Hence, this is a lateral move.

b. Does it help any of our youth? Does it help them develop? Or is this a move to generate 2 - 4 wins?

Again, to reiterate, I watched this a guy quite a bit last year. I know what I'm expecting. Go watch how he played in the playoffs and how utterly terrible he was.

But hey, you're jeff! You know everything about this team and the nba!
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Old 11-30-2012, 02:54 PM   #143 (permalink)
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At some point we collected far too many young, timid players that collectively lack the high-end potential I'd suggest is paramount. Pietrus, while not a stud and having dealt with many injuries recently, has been on good teams and knows how to buy into a role. This team needs guys that can do that but also can help others realize that they need to as well. Going out and signing a struggling and largely unproven young player to be your glue guy on a team full of inconsistent young players is borderline linsanity in this fields of study.
While your point is correct, what ideally needs to be done is to deal youth for legitimate veteran presence. I don't know what type of deal exists out there but it should be explored.

However, to suggest that Pietrus provides that is, imo erroneous. A guy like Battier (not him, but a guy LIKE THAT) would provide more value, since he's been part of winning programs (Duke, Houston, Memphis, Miami), has championship experience, was an important piece beyond being a role player and still contributes. Chauncey Billups would've been another ideal player. A guy who can still play, teach the kids, who was more than a marginal starter.

I remember, when the Vancouver Grizzlies acquired Antoine Carr and marketed that as their answer to Oakley. No, Carr was a fringe guy. Oakley was a key player. And I remember watching those Grizz teams thinking, that Carr definitely does not have the same impact that Oak had.
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Old 11-30-2012, 02:58 PM   #144 (permalink)
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While your point is correct, what ideally needs to be done is to deal youth for legitimate veteran presence. I don't know what type of deal exists out there but it should be explored.

However, to suggest that Pietrus provides that is, imo erroneous. A guy like Battier (not him, but a guy LIKE THAT) would provide more value, since he's been part of winning programs (Duke, Houston, Memphis, Miami), has championship experience, was an important piece beyond being a role player and still contributes. Chauncey Billups would've been another ideal player. A guy who can still play, teach the kids, who was more than a marginal starter.

I remember, when the Vancouver Grizzlies acquired Antoine Carr and marketed that as their answer to Oakley. No, Carr was a fringe guy. Oakley was a key player. And I remember watching those Grizz teams thinking, that Carr definitely does not have the same impact that Oak had.
I totally agree... but in my mind, Pietrus is a start.... I also REALLY like how we were finally able to use the vet minimum.... that's a start, gotta start somewhere.
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:53 PM   #145 (permalink)
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Old 11-30-2012, 04:43 PM   #146 (permalink)
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un vet comme beaucoup energie.....lets hope so

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Old 11-30-2012, 04:58 PM   #147 (permalink)
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I like Pietrus, quite a bit. And I think he's definitely an upgrade. He can get hot from distance and play D. In the past few seasons, we've seen guys who can do one or the other, but never both.
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:27 PM   #148 (permalink)
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:42 PM   #149 (permalink)
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well, if you just compare him to who he replaced it should be an upgrade, both are here for their defense but pietrus has some offense and was known as air france because he was athletic
not sure what he is now but i guess we'll find out
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:12 PM   #150 (permalink)
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De Guadaloupe, numero 34..
I like Pietrus. It highlights once again the superflousness of Fields and the crazyness of his contract.
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:17 PM   #151 (permalink)
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De Guadaloupe, numero 34..
I like Pietrus. It highlights once again the superflousness of Fields and the crazyness of his contract.
I don't see his contract as being all that bad. Ask me again in 6 months though.
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:31 PM   #152 (permalink)
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I don't see his contract as being all that bad. Ask me again in 6 months though.
You can pick up "glue guys" (which he's not yet, btw) for nothing. The only worth glue guys have is on the team they "glued". So Fields had some value for NY (still not as much as his CRAZY contract), but no special value for any other team.
JJ had some (great) value for Toronto, but not yet for a new team.
It's a market and the figures aren't abstract. You can pick up an undrafted rookie to do what Fields is supposed to do (and hasn't done).
The acquisition of Pietrus demonstrates that you don't have to overpay for non-stars.
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:46 PM   #153 (permalink)
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Pietrus is probably going to be better for us then Landry Fields.
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:50 PM   #154 (permalink)
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Pietrus is probably going to be better for us then Landry Fields.
We'll see, but Fields when healthy>>>>>>>kleiza.


I don't trust him at all anymore!

1st Unit:

Lowry
Derozan
Pietrus
Bargnani
Valanciunas


2nd Unit:

Calderon
Ross
Fields or AA
Davis
Amir

This is what i would love to see when Fields/AA come back. Let's hope both units can start clicking consistently.
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:54 PM   #155 (permalink)
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pietrus is awesome, we need his vet presence in the lockeroom
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Old 11-30-2012, 10:33 PM   #156 (permalink)
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a swingman that can actually hit the 3 and defend his position
love how he just sits in the corner waiting to shoot the 3, sounds like no movement but he's actually stretching the D and also forcing our offense to swing the ball to him

also like his athleticism and ability to bring the ball up the court when need be
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Old 12-01-2012, 09:35 AM   #157 (permalink)
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Pietrus may also help with the mentoring process for Ross. There really is no one other than maybe AA that can provide some advice.
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I like Pietrus, quite a bit. And I think he's definitely an upgrade. He can get hot from distance and play D. In the past few seasons, we've seen guys who can do one or the other, but never both.
That's been a major issue... and to get this at the vet min cost.... things are lookin up!
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Old 12-01-2012, 01:39 PM   #159 (permalink)
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At some point we collected far too many young, timid players that collectively lack the high-end potential I'd suggest is paramount. Pietrus, while not a stud and having dealt with many injuries recently, has been on good teams and knows how to buy into a role. This team needs guys that can do that but also can help others realize that they need to as well. Going out and signing a struggling and largely unproven young player to be your glue guy on a team full of inconsistent young players is borderline linsanity in this fields of study.
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But I agree with this post. And I do think even though some of the young guys may lose minutes, it will ablso be good for them to learn from a guy who is a vet wing, has played good games opposing the best players in the league and held his own, and does go ahead and still have fun while playing. There is a reason why he will be playing ahead of them. I hope they learn something.

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Old 12-02-2012, 01:36 AM   #160 (permalink)
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