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Old 11-30-2012, 10:09 AM   #101 (permalink)
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Old 11-30-2012, 10:09 AM   #102 (permalink)
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It got addressed, unfortunately Colangelo's choice for our starting SF has been one of the biggest FA disasters to date.
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Old 11-30-2012, 10:14 AM   #103 (permalink)
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so we improved from 3 equal SFs to 4. GREAT


BC better be sure he resigns Lowry, if he's not then start tanking till 2014 from this day
The way Lowry plays the game BC will have to look for another pg of the future. I think Lowry has one more year left on his contract. He will be in his 28 year of age if we sign him to an extension. Lowry is not to bright bewteen the ears to run the offence and when his body slows down which is his strength his lack of brain power will kill us. Remember we did not get get a 22-23 pg to replace Calderon as our starter and future we picked up a pg thats 26 and on his way down the way hes playing and a guy already on his 3rd yeam.
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The way Lowry plays the game BC will have to look for another pg of the future. I think Lowry has one more year left on his contract. He will be in his 28 year of age if we sign him to an extension. Lowry is not to bright bewteen the ears to run the offence and when his body slows down which is his strength his lack of brain power will kill us. Remember we did not get get a 22-23 pg to replace Calderon as our starter and future we picked up a pg thats 26 and on his way down the way hes playing and a guy already on his 3rd yeam.
Why do you tend to forget he is coming back from a nagging injury (early mind you) and who knows if he is playing through still being hurt. He hasen't looked the same since the first 3 games prior to the injury. You've said this aswell..

So saying he is on his way down is just stupid.
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Old 11-30-2012, 10:52 AM   #105 (permalink)
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Why do you tend to forget he is coming back from a nagging injury (early mind you) and who knows if he is playing through still being hurt. He hasen't looked the same since the first 3 games prior to the injury. You've said this aswell..

So saying he is on his way down is just stupid.


You seem surprised?
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Old 11-30-2012, 10:54 AM   #106 (permalink)
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The way Lowry plays the game BC will have to look for another pg of the future. I think Lowry has one more year left on his contract. He will be in his 28 year of age if we sign him to an extension. Lowry is not to bright bewteen the ears to run the offence and when his body slows down which is his strength his lack of brain power will kill us. Remember we did not get get a 22-23 pg to replace Calderon as our starter and future we picked up a pg thats 26 and on his way down the way hes playing and a guy already on his 3rd yeam.
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Old 11-30-2012, 11:02 AM   #107 (permalink)
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I think having Pietrus will make a marked improvement, but everybody needs to start being consistent and believing.... we need to impose our will. Watched the SA-Miami game and those misfits had Miami beaten with 3 minutes to go. Patty Mills, James Anderson, Boris Diaw, Matt Bonner, Tiago Splitter, etc... seriously. We need our guys to bring it and get it done. We have the talent to compete, so when we're up in the 4th, let's close that shit out. I want to see some swagger... we have too many younger, unsure players...
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Old 11-30-2012, 11:11 AM   #108 (permalink)
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You also had a Miami squad that wasn't really taking their opponent seriously last night and over the course of 10 games I'd say 5-6 would be blow outs if Miami were playing to their full offensive and defensive potential.

That said, I understand your point. This team really, really lacks veterans who know how to slow a game down and remove the nerves.
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Old 11-30-2012, 11:30 AM   #109 (permalink)
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pzabby, he barely brings shooting, he's lost on defence and he commits some real dumb fouls. I know McGuire brought no offence, but he's never been known to provide offence.

I just don't know how this position did not get addressed during the offseason.
it did. he got injured... six million our supposed starting SF makes

as for pietrus he brings more shooting than our current SF's, and DD is not big enough yet to play the SF spot. gay manhandled him in the post and rightly so, next season after another summer of bulking we can think of moving demar to Sf and starting ross at sg. for now.. fields, whom is injured, and pietrus, who, defence wise you can't argue isn't good. I think this is a good signing. he'll help us close out the bottom feeders for now unexpected losses
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ere's one from the "it should have happened years ago" file: the Toronto Raptors have signed free agent forward Mickael Pietrus.

Too bad they did it in 2012.

Back in the summer of 2007, the Raptors had a little bit of money to spend on bringing a much-needed small forward to Toronto. Bryan Colangelo fell in love with three-point specialist Jason Kapono and turned his back on a far more appropriate fit in Pietrus. The Raptors were not a good defensive or rebounding club back then, and Pietrus had a reputation for playing committed defense and grabbing rebounds. He also shot .388 from three the season prior, which pales next to Kapono's .541, but is still a more-than-respectable percentage when set against the other areas that Pietrus could have contributed in had the Raptors pursued him instead.
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All that said, while Pietrus would have a been a savvy signing back in 2007, in 2012 his signing is a testament to the desperation being felt by an injury-hit team caught in a seemingly ceaseless tailspin. Pietrus is a player in decline at both ends of the floor (recall that the Raptors actually backed-out of a deal to acquire him last offseason when his bothersome knees prevented him from passing the team's physical) and while he'll provide help he's a far cry from a solution to what ails this team.

FIrst, though, let's look at how he can help the team. Of all of the areas that stand out, his ability to hit the corner three looms large. Last year he shot 42% in the corners (36-86 on the season according to nba.com), and if he can replicate that percentage in Toronto he'll really help open up the court for the club's bevy of mid-range options.

Also, Pietrus is a big, long body that has an ability to guard his position respectably, though more importantly will be his ability to cover space in help situations as the team is still terribly susceptible to breakdowns in rotations. His veteran status should allow him to act as something like a stabilizing force for a club that is unexpectedly hemorrhaging points.

Now for the bad news.

While Pieturs shot well from the corners last year, he shot poorly there two years ago at 32%, and over his last two seasons he's shot .389 from two and .349 from three - neither being especially impressive stats. He's not a particularly willing team player on offense, either, with a terribly pedestrian assist ratio and a too-heavy reliance on the three-point shot. For a club that is already loaded with shoot-first players, Pietrus could actually have a negative affect on the league's 22nd-ranked offense.

Defensively, Pieturs has the tools but he's never been one to consistently apply them. In stops at Golden State and Phoenix you can perhaps blame his surroundings, but not so in Orlando or Boston. He'll have prolonged stretches of inspired defensive play, but he'll follow them up with prolonged stretches of half-hearted defensive play. Pietrus fouls too often, a problem for the Raptors since they already rank dead-last in fouls per game (tied with Sacramento), he likes to gamble and he may well have lost a step if his play last season is any indication. He's also never again rebounded at the rate that he did when he played in Golden State during his breakout years. While Casey may be able to coax his best out of him (which defensively is quite a lot), Pietrus is trading more on his defensive reputation at this point than on his recent on-court production.
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it did. he got injured... six million our supposed starting SF makes

as for pietrus he brings more shooting than our current SF's, and DD is not big enough yet to play the SF spot. gay manhandled him in the post and rightly so, next season after another summer of bulking we can think of moving demar to Sf and starting ross at sg. for now.. fields, whom is injured, and pietrus, who, defence wise you can't argue isn't good. I think this is a good signing. he'll help us close out the bottom feeders for now unexpected losses
I would question the sanity of all of our leadership if they thought Fields was going to be 'the guy' at the 3. More than anything he was chess piece that failed and then was spinned as being a SF who played SG.

Defensive schemes would help a guy like DeMar guard the bigger 3s in the league. Flash some zone to keep them at the perimeter and have your two big men active on the help (I know, I know, asking A TON from a guy like Bargnani) and when your bigger threes are posting deny the entry pass (as so often happens to us), front the post and have your big help. Yeah, you're constantly doubling, but defense is about working hard.

And defensively, he's not that good. Sorry. He just isn't. Like I said, I watched him enough last season. No.

Jeff Green would've been a better signing or making a play for Marvin Williams (who would've been a real good fit here with his athleticism).
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I would question the sanity of all of our leadership if they thought Fields was going to be 'the guy' at the 3. More than anything he was chess piece that failed and then was spinned as being a SF who played SG.

Defensive schemes would help a guy like DeMar guard the bigger 3s in the league. Flash some zone to keep them at the perimeter and have your two big men active on the help (I know, I know, asking A TON from a guy like Bargnani) and when your bigger threes are posting deny the entry pass (as so often happens to us), front the post and have your big help. Yeah, you're constantly doubling, but defense is about working hard.

And defensively, he's not that good. Sorry. He just isn't. Like I said, I watched him enough last season. No.

Jeff Green would've been a better signing or making a play for Marvin Williams (who would've been a real good fit here with his athleticism).
it's a cover up.. BC and casey will say the right things in the media about fields to making people think he is the answer at the 3, but it was all a strategy to getting Steve Nash here, and when that didn't work out we were left with Laundry
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:09 PM   #113 (permalink)
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I would question the sanity of all of our leadership if they thought Fields was going to be 'the guy' at the 3. More than anything he was chess piece that failed and then was spinned as being a SF who played SG.

Defensive schemes would help a guy like DeMar guard the bigger 3s in the league. Flash some zone to keep them at the perimeter and have your two big men active on the help (I know, I know, asking A TON from a guy like Bargnani) and when your bigger threes are posting deny the entry pass (as so often happens to us), front the post and have your big help. Yeah, you're constantly doubling, but defense is about working hard.

And defensively, he's not that good. Sorry. He just isn't. Like I said, I watched him enough last season. No.

Jeff Green would've been a better signing or making a play for Marvin Williams (who would've been a real good fit here with his athleticism).
we're not nearly done but you can't say it's not an upgrade, and a bad move considering mcguire was starting for us, can you?
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FFS why is everybody so quick with putting the bust tag on Fields??? We haven't even seen him at full strength and still people are compairing him to Rasual. Give me a break. See what he can do when he's 100% healthy and back playing with confidence before you judge him. I'm confident he can be the solution at the 3 spot playing good perimeter defense. He's still a good rebounder for his position/size. He's a high IQ player and a good citizen. Effort has never been his weakness. I never heard any complaints from Knicks fans and they would've been devastated when he left if they didn't have Shumpert to replace him.

Just let him be a defence first guy and surround him with capable offensiveminded players. The Spurs have been doing that for the last 10 years and with success.
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FFS why is everybody so quick with putting the bust tag on Fields??? We haven't even seen him at full strength and still people are compairing him to Rasual. Give me a break. See what he can do when he's 100% healthy and back playing with confidence before you judge him. I'm confident he can be the solution at the 3 spot playing good perimeter defense. He's still a good rebounder for his position/size. He's a high IQ player and a good citizen. Effort has never been his weakness. I never heard any complaints from Knicks fans and they would've been devastated when he left if they didn't have Shumpert to replace him.

Just let him be a defence first guy and surround him with capable offensiveminded players. The Spurs have been doing that for the last 10 years.

He is NOT the answer @ SF, but he's certainly better than he was to start the season. He's a good bench player and probably shouldn't be a starter.
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FFS why is everybody so quick with putting the bust tag on Fields??? We haven't even seen him at full strength and still people are compairing him to Rasual. Give me a break. See what he can do when he's 100% healthy and back playing with confidence before you judge him. I'm confident he can be the solution at the 3 spot playing good perimeter defense. He's still a good rebounder for his position/size. He's a high IQ player and a good citizen. Effort has never been his weakness. I never heard any complaints from Knicks fans and they would've been devastated when he left if they didn't have Shumpert to replace him.

Just let him be a defence first guy and surround him with capable offensiveminded players. The Spurs have been doing that for the last 10 years.
WHy is it assumed that we've never seen him before playing here?: I've seen his defense, and I think it's over-rated. He's a nice guy, maybe charming to some, but I think his skillset has been overblown.

The spurs also had Tim Duncan... if JV becomes that, we can go with your idea.
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we're not nearly done
and that's what scares me...BC should be banned from making anymore changes/decisions for this organization from this point forward

i've been a staunch BC supporter over the years and it really pains me to say this...but

fire his ass...now
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:17 PM   #118 (permalink)
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and that's what scares me...BC should be banned from making anymore changes/decisions for this organization from this point forward

i've been a staunch BC supporter over the years and it really pains me to say this...but

fire his ass...now

Yeah, I'm willing to give him the rest of the season. But I'm also at the point where sadly unless there is a major turnaround here he needs to go. Even if they turns things around it's time I think. It saddens me to say it!
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I say promote BC.... hire a new GM.
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I say promote BC.... hire a new GM.


If Stefanski isn't our next GM I'll eat my shoes.
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