Raptors should trade Lowry now, stop this treadmill: Kelly
Old 11-12-2013, 02:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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When Kyle Lowry was forced to leave Saturday’s game against Utah after turning an ankle, a very unkind thought may have run through your mind (because it ran through mine) — “Good.”

Without Lowry, everything is suddenly simple. The Raptors go from ‘We can’t promise anything, but fingers crossed’ to ‘We are barely an NBA franchise.’

Eventually, they will either trade Lowry or allow him to leave via free agency. If it must be done, best it was done quickly. Like right now. It’s time to end the Kyle Lowry era in Toronto, immediately.

The rationale to do anything but is based on the magical thinking that has defined this club since the start of training camp. They keep telling us they’re winners. Then they go out and lose.

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The counter-argument — it’s still early. It’s always early, right up until it’s too late. After eight games, standing at 3-5, are the Raptors any better than you thought they’d be? They’re exactly what you were afraid of — average. Averagely average. Possibly good enough to be crushed in a first-round playoff series.

After that happens, Lowry leaves anyway. Rudy Gay goes with him. The Raptors draft in the teens, hope for free-agent replacements who won’t come and it’s back to being terrible for two or three or infinity more seasons. For once, let’s have the sense to stop this ride before we puke.

If they’re neither/nor right now, they’re tending hopefully toward ‘nor.’ Imagine how they’ll look without a bonafide NBA point guard.

Are you ready for 30 nightly minutes of Dwight Buycks handling the ball like it’s been greased? Are you also ready for a top-five pick? Because those two things go together.

Even when Lowry’s having an off night — as he did in Houston on Monday — he is the keel of this club. They clung to the Rockets for exactly as long as Lowry was in the game, despite Gay and DeMar DeRozan both trying to knock the rim off the backboard. Lowry played nearly 20 minutes with five fouls, drawing the team from 10 back to level. When he finally fouled out in the second overtime, it was 104-104. Two minutes later, they lost 110-104.
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If you have no handler, you have no chance.

Best guess — Gay gives up five games after Lowry leaves (which, if it discourages him from shooting so much, might be a short-term performance boost). If he has any financial sense or a loud enough accountant, he’s opting out at year’s end anyway. And he’s not coming back here. Short of blowing an ACL, there’s nothing Gay can do this season that markedly affects his declining value.

Ten games after Gay goes AWOL, just about everyone else will have thrown in the towel as well. Halfway through the season, they’ll be staggering up and down the court like a hobo flashmob, while Tyler Hansbrough jumps manically under the rim like the cyborg we’re beginning to suspect he is.

Lowry’s the pin. The rest of the team is the grenade.
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Old 11-12-2013, 03:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Best guess — Gay gives up five games after Lowry leaves (which, if it discourages him from shooting so much, might be a short-term performance boost). If he has any financial sense or a loud enough accountant, he’s opting out at year’s end anyway. And he’s not coming back here. Short of blowing an ACL, there’s nothing Gay can do this season that markedly affects his declining value.
I keep hearing this and I don't get that it does make any sense. He's worth what right now... 10 million a year? Say 12 million being generous? He's going to give up 20 million and opt out just to sign for what? If he plays this shitty all year and "gives up" (which is a pretty ridiculous statement without any thought whatsoever) he will NOT opt out, and will play out his contract and just hope to be better next year.

As for the rest of the article and Lowry... Not really much of an original thought in it. Its a tank vs. non-tank thing that we have discussed here ad nauseum.

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Lowry has the most value of the three, between him Demar and Gay. There's not a lot of reason why we would re-sign him given his production in his current role and his contract situation upcoming, unless we were able to unload Demar and Rudy first for value, then there could possibly be a scenario where we could sign him for a mid level type of deal, but it seems very unlikely.

Honestly, outside of Val not playing at all, I think Lowry not playing for us would be the most detrimental thing to us having a chance to win games because of the drop off between him and the other PGs. You would see even more shots for Rudy and Demar, if that's even possible, and our offence may reach all time levels of atrociousness.

We wont get a 1st rounder for Lowry, but I think we can get a decent player on a cheap deal and a 2nd rounder for him.
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Also, I agree with Joey, why in hell would Rudy give up 20 million next year, when he can get that 20 million and still get a 3+ year contract from someone later on? Sure it wont be for max money, but it sure as hell wont make up for the 20 million he would lose with us.

Masai needs to dump him by the deadine, or he's going to be even harder to move next year
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We need to dump both. If we could get a late first for lowry I would be happy.
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this is finally the season where it all gets blown up
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Also, I agree with Joey, why in hell would Rudy give up 20 million next year, when he can get that 20 million and still get a 3+ year contract from someone later on? Sure it wont be for max money, but it sure as hell wont make up for the 20 million he would lose with us.

Masai needs to dump him by the deadine, or he's going to be even harder to move next year
If Rudy keeps playing like this no way he opts out. He'd take his chances on having a better season next year then sign a 3-4yr deal at 12mil/yr. His value now is in the 8mil range imo
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The nightmare scenario is Gay sucking all year, not being tradeable or traded, AND opting in for next year. Fuck me.
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We were so happy when we acquired Lowry.
Things turned shitty real fast, it makes me sad.
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The nightmare scenario is Gay sucking all year, not being tradeable or traded, AND opting in for next year. Fuck me.
the nightmare can get much worse. Lowry walks, and we're stuck with a late lottery, still capped out, and two wings intent on improving their scoring averages while we continue on a path to mediocrity!
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the nightmare can get much worse. Lowry walks, and we're stuck with a late lottery, still capped out, and two wings intent on improving their scoring averages while we continue on a path to mediocrity!
Hah. Toronto, where Executives of the Year come to die.
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We were so happy when we acquired Lowry.
Things turned shitty real fast, it makes me sad.
We were also happy when we aquired Gay and it took a couple months and people wanted him gone. A lot of this imo is coaching and the team is mismatched. I loved Lowry before he came here...........I still like him but the style ofplay here and the way the roster is constructed doesn't seem to fit him at all.
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We were also happy when we aquired Gay and it took a couple months and people wanted him gone. A lot of this imo is coaching and the team is mismatched. I loved Lowry before he came here...........I still like him but the style ofplay here and the way the roster is constructed doesn't seem to fit him at all.
I don't think he is that bad although we are 3-5, but so far he played for 3 teams, the first 2 decided to go with the other PG they had available. That alone is a bit of a red flag.
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We were also happy when we aquired Gay and it took a couple months and people wanted him gone. A lot of this imo is coaching and the team is mismatched. I loved Lowry before he came here...........I still like him but the style ofplay here and the way the roster is constructed doesn't seem to fit him at all.
BC's big failing. He couldn't figure out that players who performed one way in another system, did it because their talents were part of a different system, and when you acquired them, you didn't get the other system that made them.

So you end up with Kapono's, Turkoglu's, Gay's, O'Neal's, Lowry's
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Maybe we could trade Lowry for John Lucas III...Fuck me...this team is almost unwatchable now can you really imagine with Buycks and DJ running the show...We need to give Lowry more freedom to move the ball via dribble or pick and role...Get a coach and maybe , just maybe , Lowry will show you he is not that bad...Trade DD or move him to sixth man...
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The nightmare scenario is Gay sucking all year, not being tradeable or traded, AND opting in for next year. Fuck me.
Hey, Barganani was traded. Everyone is tradeable.
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Hey, Barganani was traded. Everyone is tradeable.
Tru dat...but what would be the value of the exchange...oh shit Steve Nash is available
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Hey, Barganani was traded. Everyone is tradeable.
Minus me again you son of a gun!!!!!!11!!1!
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I wonder if other GM's are starting to be more cautious when working on trade with MU. You can't expect him to win every single trade
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Also, I agree with Joey, why in hell would Rudy give up 20 million next year, when he can get that 20 million and still get a 3+ year contract from someone later on? Sure it wont be for max money, but it sure as hell wont make up for the 20 million he would lose with us.

Masai needs to dump him by the deadine, or he's going to be even harder to move next year
the concept of rudy opting out was always dicey, but with his recent play, it's amost guaranteed he would not.

of course, stranger things have happened, just see monta ellis this summer. Players mostly see themselves as better, but surely gay and his agent are not delusional to the extent to think he would get anything more than 12 million.

the one interesting fact is that this summer a lot of teams will have cap space, and while lebron/wade/bosh could opt out, they probably won't, leaving a very thin free agent crop competing for lots of cache. And SF is a position of need for many teams, and gay may still have some cachet. And he will probably play better anyway, since he can't get worse.

now's the time for masai to pull his weight, if there were any doubts this core is not good enough, they're probably all but gone by now, outside of the small group of fans who still think we're a move or two away ...
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