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Old 02-05-2011, 02:38 PM   #41 (permalink)
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i don't tend to post much love reading more than writing but i had to get my opinion on this.
whoever are the ones blaming Raptors medical staff or management, stop. this is the dumbest thread i have ever seen. i think i am dumb just replying to this.
players make their own decision whether to play or not. they aren't forced. wearing a knee brace? lots of players wear knee braces, heck we had one so called superstar last yeah on our team and he had like a super brace on him, and did we shut him down? wear and tear is natural, linus got unlucky and shit happens. on all seriousness though, with him or out of the lineup right now you think it would really make a difference? whether he chose to play or not, he did and he has no one to blame but himself.
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Old 02-05-2011, 02:42 PM   #42 (permalink)
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he did and he has no one to blame but himself.
That's as dumb as blaming the Raptors.
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Old 02-05-2011, 02:47 PM   #43 (permalink)
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i don't tend to post much love reading more than writing but i had to get my opinion on this.
whoever are the ones blaming Raptors medical staff or management, stop. this is the dumbest thread i have ever seen. i think i am dumb just replying to this.
players make their own decision whether to play or not. they aren't forced. wearing a knee brace? lots of players wear knee braces, heck we had one so called superstar last yeah on our team and he had like a super brace on him, and did we shut him down? wear and tear is natural, linus got unlucky and shit happens. on all seriousness though, with him or out of the lineup right now you think it would really make a difference? whether he chose to play or not, he did and he has no one to blame but himself.
Actually this is dumb thread but makes a little sense. Staff should identify the injury. Linas felt he can play and he played... Now we can say it was bad decision.
Diagnostic fail. They didn't realized this is serious injury.
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Old 02-05-2011, 02:55 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Looking at all the calf sleeves I tend to think this is a case of wrong diagnosis. Looks like they thought all the way its a tendon/ligament problem
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Looking at all the calf sleeves I tend to think this is a case of wrong diagnosis. Looks like they thought all the way its a tendon/ligament problem
No, he's had an achilies injury and a knee injury this season. Both made public early in the season. He missed time earlier. My guess is he come back and tried to do too much and made it worse and that's when he was taken out 3-4 weeks ago.
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Old 02-05-2011, 03:22 PM   #47 (permalink)
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No one knows ones body better than themselves. If somethign is wrong you know it. And a professional athlete is ussually in tune with ones body a bit more than the rest of us.
I say the blame falls directly on Klieza. The organization may have pressured him to keep play9ng through pain, but he knew how bad it was. Sometimes the pain just dont go away.
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Old 02-05-2011, 03:38 PM   #48 (permalink)
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No one knows ones body better than themselves. If somethign is wrong you know it. And a professional athlete is ussually in tune with ones body a bit more than the rest of us.
I say the blame falls directly on Klieza. The organization may have pressured him to keep play9ng through pain, but he knew how bad it was. Sometimes the pain just dont go away.
I disagree. Course, no one forced him to play. But hes a baller, his job is to play and concentrate on it. Medics job to cure and diagnose.
It was bad decision to play, he may felt something is wrong, but thought it gonna pass away... Careless, but medic staff Failed more here. They missed it, Kleiza just did his job.
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i feel bad for both :
kleiza for being out 1 year and Raptors to put money on him for 3 years to come and can't make a good investment.
but injury happens, and the fault is not on player or medical staff, this just happend.

i don't understand the way this blog put the thing on!
how hedo was injured ? i didn't know that !
how is the Raptors organisation fault peja has a swollen knee ?
he play only 2 games withthis team. they don't force him to play more or i missed so game !

the only times i heard they forced a player to play trough injury was DD in the beginning of the season, and he don't complain.

i m sure kleiza in his contract has a close about inury, and about it's is decision.
yeah, they can put thing like they force him because they need him to play. OK, that can be true. but if he don't want to play he could do it.

and why i haven't hear anything kleiza say about this. i didn't do an interview. it's just a blog.
this guy (blog owner) must be so happy so many people come to see his blog.

lets face it, there are no truth about this, and this is just BS. but i understant why kleiza's fan can be worry about this. at least that prove they care about their player more than about the team.

just to say or to add, when this team have only 7 player who can play, why in this case they don't force all the 8 other player on this team to play. even peja don't play, kleiza too, barbo too, caldy was out one game on two, like bayless.

and the last thing that makes me laugh about it, it's Amir johnson.
medical staff don't xwant him to play, but he wanted toplay trough all his back problem because he has some ethic, maybe too much.

lets face it, player injured need to rest, need to be healty for the team to be succesfull. not force them to be lialable more.

i hope this is not an excuse by his agent to make him find a agreement to allow kleiza to go out of a losing team. because Raptors have already enough of all this crap player who can't product like their contract make us hope they would do.

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i feel bad for both :
kleiza for being out 1 year and Raptors to put money on him for 3 years to come and can't make a good investment.
but injury happens, and the fault is not on player or medical staff, this just happend.

i don't understand the way this blog put the thing on!
how hedo was injured ? i didn't know that !
how is the Raptors organisation fault peja has a swollen knee ?
he play only 2 games withthis team. they don't force him to play more or i missed so game !

the only times i heard they forced a player to play trough injury was DD in the beginning of the season, and he don't complain.

i m sure kleiza in his contract has a close about inury, and about it's is decision.
yeah, they can put thing like they force him because they need him to play. OK, that can be true. but if he don't want to play he could do it.

and why i haven't hear anything kleiza say about this. i didn't do an interview. it's just a blog.
this guy (blog owner) must be so happy so many people come to see his blog.

lets face it, there are no truth about this, and this is just BS. but i understant why kleiza's fan can be worry about this. at least that prove they care about their player more than about the team.

just to say or to add, when this team have only 7 player who can play, why in this case they don't force all the 8 other player on this team to play. even peja don't play, kleiza too, barbo too, caldy was out one game on two, like bayless.

and the last thing that makes me laugh about it, it's Amir johnson.
medical staff don't xwant him to play, but he wanted toplay trough all his back problem because he has some ethic, maybe too much.

lets face it, player injured need to rest, need to be healty for the team to be succesfull. not force them to be lialable more.

i hope this is not an excuse by his agent to make him find a agreement to allow kleiza to go out of a losing team. because Raptors have already enough of all this crap player who can't product like their contract make us hope they would do.
i'd personally be extatic if he left. toronto doesnt need him and he hasnt proven to be able to compete at an nba level consistantly and has proven to be too selfish too much of the time. i say good riddance if he leaves.
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Old 02-05-2011, 05:30 PM   #51 (permalink)
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the only way to find out is to ask Kleiza : )
cheers people, don't hate on us lithuanians if we might get a bit emotional on this topic. this is what happens when the leader of a national team gets injured before an event like eurocup....which will also be hosted by us. : ))

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Old 02-05-2011, 05:54 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Toronto forward Linas Kleiza on Saturday denied a Greek report that claimed he believes incompetence by Raptors medical officials contributed to why he last Wednesday underwent season-ending right microfracture knee surgery.

"I have no problems with Toronto's medical staff,'' Kleiza said in a phone interview with FanHouse from Vail, Colo., where he has remained since the surgery was performed by specialist Dr. Richard Steadman.

The report was by Sport25.gr, a Greek website in the nation where Kleiza played for Olympiakos for the 2009-10 season. Translated by TalkBasket.net, the report read in part that Kleiza "had been complaining to the Raptors' medical team for the past two months about excruciating pain in his right knee'' and that "the team's doctors ignored his pleas and insisted that it was nothing to worry about.''

The report read, "After having had just enough of his team medical team's criminal neglect, Kleiza made up his mind and told Raptors that he refused to play until the pain is completely gone.''

"I don't know where that came from,'' said Kleiza, who said he didn't know about the report until being informed by FanHouse. "I haven't talked to anybody from Greece... I think everything was done right (by Toronto's medical staff). I was talking to them all the time (about the knee injury).''

Kleiza said he originally hurt his right knee in the team's Oct. 6 preseason opener against Phoenix in Vancouver when a player fell on him. He said he doesn't know which player it was. Kleiza scored a game-high 20 points that night, and initially didn't think the injury was serious.

Kleiza played in 38 of Toronto's first 40 games. But then he said his knee started really bothering him in mid-January.

Kleiza sat out games Jan. 17 and Jan. 19 and returned Jan. 21 at Orlando, playing 23 minutes. But he said the knee then continued to hamper him and he hasn't played since.

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well that settles that now, doesn't it?
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I guess it settles it. I'm guessing he thought the injury was minor since it didn't hamper him for the first 38 games. So possibly he didn't tell the medical personnel that something was wrong. I just feel bad for Kleiza, having a good year with Lithuania and trying to carry it over to the NBA, feel bad he got injured.
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Old 02-06-2011, 12:24 AM   #56 (permalink)
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It seems not good enough, because Kleiza's fucked up knee cartilage is on them. Either they didn't notice it in time, or the training staff decided to ignore it, or they where stupid enough to let Kleiza play voluntarily. Whatever the case it's bad for everyone.
well cleary there's a bias in everything you say, since you're a big time Kleiza fan.

And I hate to break it you, but Kleiza sucks and not too many Raptor fans give a fuck about him being out for 9 months. Your ranting over nonsense. He played on a bad knee and push came to shove. Shit happens, just be happy that it's not our franchise player who's out.

Just for the record, the only thing that concerns me now is his contract. Hopefully, LK can establish himself as a solid rotation player once he returns and thus become a movable asset.
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I dont know if doctors forced him to play but doctors might have thought his knee was ok then. Those doctor's wrong analysises happen too much in football. Player says "i have problem" and doctors say "it is not big deal, let me give you painkiller, you re ok, you can play ,dont mind it" and then player gets injured.
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well cleary there's a bias in everything you say, since you're a big time Kleiza fan.

And I hate to break it you, but Kleiza sucks and not too many Raptor fans give a fuck about him being out for 9 months. Your ranting over nonsense. He played on a bad knee and push came to shove. Shit happens, just be happy that it's not our franchise player who's out.

Just for the record, the only thing that concerns me now is his contract. Hopefully, LK can establish himself as a solid rotation player once he returns and thus become a movable asset.
the biggest difference between europeans and americans/canadians is that we give a damn about every player in the team and not only the stars. to you they are like action figures, which is a bit sad : ) no wonder why european fans are more loyal...

of course, my words aren't written in stone and there are exceptions.
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Old 02-06-2011, 06:31 AM   #59 (permalink)
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the biggest difference between europeans and americans/canadians is that we give a damn about every player in the team and not only the stars. to you they are like action figures, which is a bit sad : ) no wonder why european fans are more loyal...

of course, my words aren't written in stone and there are exceptions.
yep. exacly like you care about the rest of the Raptors players.
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Old 02-06-2011, 06:38 AM   #60 (permalink)
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actually, i do ^_^ now strangely, i don't know how you'll reply to this. i always *FACEPALM* when i read after game threads that go like this - "trade him!" "no, trade blablabla to blablabla!"....it gets boring after a while. just love your team and love your players no matter how they suck. peace.
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