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Old 02-05-2011, 12:05 PM   #21 (permalink)
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ps. these guys feel the slightest twinge of pain and they have an MRI immediately, if there was an issue they could stop, or see, they would, they pay this guy a shit load of cash, it makes ZERO sense whatsoever that they would want to put themselves in situation where they have to waste cap space on a guy who was sitting in a suit.

15 years without an issue like this, all of a sudden so guy is hurt badly and it's the incompetence of the Raps doctors?
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Old 02-05-2011, 12:07 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Toronto and it's training staff has always been pretty good. So really, calm down.
It seems not good enough, because Kleiza's fucked up knee cartilage is on them. Either they didn't notice it in time, or the training staff decided to ignore it, or they where stupid enough to let Kleiza play voluntarily. Whatever the case it's bad for everyone.
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Old 02-05-2011, 12:09 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Old 02-05-2011, 12:09 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Well, good thing he was only really a decent pine rider anyhow.
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Old 02-05-2011, 12:17 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Lets say it's staff mistake. Whats the point of this thread? It doesn't mean they are bad. Everyone make mistakes. It's easy to talk now. Funny thing is, Kleiza played through it, and had some good games. It doesn't looked serious.
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Old 02-05-2011, 12:18 PM   #26 (permalink)
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It seems not good enough, because Kleiza's fucked up knee cartilage is on them. Either they didn't notice it in time, or the training staff decided to ignore it, or they where stupid enough to let Kleiza play voluntarily. Whatever the case it's bad for everyone.
I think you're slightly overreacting.

Injuries happen. It's a fact of playing sports. Placing blame on a team though is ridiculous. Why would any team want to damage an investment? Makes no sense.
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Old 02-05-2011, 01:33 PM   #27 (permalink)
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The article seems incredibly biased against the Raptors.

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Two weeks ago, and after having had just enough of his team medical's team criminal neglect, Kleiza made up his mind and told Raptors that he refused to play until the pain is completely gone. Not only the Raptors administration did not take his claims seriously but they were dissatisfied with his "unprofessional behaviour", still insisting that the injury was "nothing serious".
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The rest of the story is quite known, by this time. Having in mind that Toronto Raptors did the exact same to Jorge Garbajosa, the outcome of the story should be of no surprise to anyone. Furthermore, if one examines the way the Canadian team, treated the player, regarding the possibility of him playing for Spanish NT, the Lithuanian fans should have no illusions of Kleiza playing in Eurobasket 2011, even if he is rehabilitated on time.
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Just a note: Toronto Raptors sued Spanish Basketball Federation after Garbajosa chose to play for Spain NT, rebelling against the club. Not only that, but they purposely and systematically bullied him by not giving him playing time, prior to Eurobasket 2007. Another European player who was despotised by the NBA franchise was Turkish star Hedo Turkoglu.
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An additional example of Raptors' treatment towards European players is Predrag Stojakovic. The player who joined the club just months ago had accumulated fluid in his knee, which in turn got swollen. Despite that the club insisted he was in position to play, but unlike Kleiza, Stojakovic refused to play. The club perceived that move as a blackmail and traded him off.
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Old 02-05-2011, 01:39 PM   #28 (permalink)
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did klezia say anything?
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Old 02-05-2011, 01:49 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Exhibits A, B, C, D (and so on) for your attention:

Jan 21 @ ORL, 23 min - knee sleeve (brace)
http://espn.go.com/nba/photos/_/id/3...#photo_1075192

Jan 15 @ WAS, 31 min - the whole leg bandaged
http://espn.go.com/nba/photos?gameId...hotoId=1063337

Jan 14 vs. DET, 34 min - calf sleeve
http://espn.go.com/nba/photos?gameId...hotoId=1060631

Jan 12 vs. ATL, 27 - calf sleeve
http://espn.go.com/nba/photos?gameId...hotoId=1057677

Jan 09 vs. SAC, 24 min
no calf sleeve
http://espn.go.com/nba/photos?gameId...hotoId=1052840

calf sleeve's on
http://espn.go.com/nba/photos?gameId...hotoId=1053015

Jan 07 @ BOS, 36 min - no sleeves, no braces
http://espn.go.com/nba/photos?gameId...hotoId=1048989

Jan 05 @ CLE, 21 min - knee sleeve apparantely
http://espn.go.com/nba/photos?gameId...hotoId=1045418

Jan 04 @ CHI, 28 min - without accessories
http://espn.go.com/nba/photos?gameId...hotoId=1044240

Jan 02 vs. BOS, 33 min - calf sleeve
http://espn.go.com/nba/photos?gameId...hotoId=1041372

Dec 31 @ HOU, 44 min - calf sleeve
http://espn.go.com/nba/photos?gameId...hotoId=1037211

Dec 28 @ DAL, 25 min - calf sleeve
http://espn.go.com/nba/photos?gameId...hotoId=1032865

Dec 27 @ MEM, 39 min calf sleeve
http://espn.go.com/nba/photos?gameId...hotoId=1031216

Dec 22 vs. DET, 38 min - calf sleeve
http://espn.go.com/nba/photos?gameId...hotoId=1025947

Dec 19 vs. LAL, 37 min - calf sleeve
http://espn.go.com/nba/photos?gameId...hotoId=1022500

Dec 17 vs. NJN, 45 min - calf sleeve
http://espn.go.com/nba/photos?gameId...hotoId=1018510


Haven't searched the rest of the games. From this it seems the knee sleeve first appears on the 5th of January. Can we call this the ominous occurance of the future injury? If so, why the hell did they play him? Isn't a fortnight enough to examine the health? Or maybe accessories are just for more fashionable looks? Again, in most of the photos Bargs is all bandaged too, so I guess someone might have said - Look at Andrea, he isn't complaining... I rest my case.

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Old 02-05-2011, 02:01 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Exhibits A, B, C, D (and so on) for your attention:

Jan 21 @ ORL, 23 min - knee sleeve (brace)
Toronto Raptors vs. Orlando Magic - Photos - January 21, 2011 - ESPN

Jan 15 @ WAS, 31 min - the whole leg bandaged
Toronto Raptors vs. Washington Wizards - Photos - January 15, 2011 - ESPN

Jan 14 vs. DET, 34 min - calf sleeve
Detroit Pistons vs. Toronto Raptors - Photos - January 14, 2011 - ESPN

Jan 12 vs. ATL, 27 - calf sleeve
Atlanta Hawks vs. Toronto Raptors - Photos - January 12, 2011 - ESPN

Jan 09 vs. SAC, 24 min
no calf sleeve
Sacramento Kings vs. Toronto Raptors - Photos - January 09, 2011 - ESPN

calf sleeve's on
Sacramento Kings vs. Toronto Raptors - Photos - January 09, 2011 - ESPN

Jan 07 @ BOS, 36 min - no sleeves, no braces
Toronto Raptors vs. Boston Celtics - Photos - January 07, 2011 - ESPN

Jan 05 @ CLE, 21 min - knee sleeve apparantely
Toronto Raptors vs. Cleveland Cavaliers - Photos - January 05, 2011 - ESPN

Jan 04 @ CHI, 28 min - without accessories
Toronto Raptors vs. Chicago Bulls - Photos - January 04, 2011 - ESPN

Jan 02 vs. BOS, 33 min - calf sleeve
Boston Celtics vs. Toronto Raptors - Photos - January 02, 2011 - ESPN

Dec 31 @ HOU, 44 min - calf sleeve
Toronto Raptors vs. Houston Rockets - Photos - December 31, 2010 - ESPN

Dec 28 @ DAL, 25 min - calf sleeve
Toronto Raptors vs. Dallas Mavericks - Photos - December 28, 2010 - ESPN

Dec 27 @ MEM, 39 min calf sleeve
Toronto Raptors vs. Memphis Grizzlies - Photos - December 27, 2010 - ESPN

Dec 22 vs. DET, 38 min - calf sleeve
Detroit Pistons vs. Toronto Raptors - Photos - December 22, 2010 - ESPN

Dec 19 vs. LAL, 37 min - calf sleeve
Los Angeles Lakers vs. Toronto Raptors - Photos - December 19, 2010 - ESPN

Dec 17 vs. NJN, 45 min - calf sleeve
New jersey Nets vs. Toronto Raptors - Photos - December 17, 2010 - ESPN


Haven't searched the rest of the games. From this it seems the knee sleeve first appears on the 5th of January. Can we call this the ominous occurance of the future injury? If so, why the hell did they play him? Isn't a fortnight enough to examine the health? Or maybe accessories are just for more fashionable looks? Again, in most of the photos Bargs is all bandaged too, so I guess someone might have said - Look at Andrea, he isn't complaining... I rest my case.
wow...seriously ?
this whole thread reeks of a jilted and biased fanboy
it simply makes no sense for this organization to do what you are accusing them of
if anything, the Raptor medical staff should be applauded for the work they've done on a team that's been riddled with injuries all year

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Old 02-05-2011, 02:02 PM   #31 (permalink)
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^^ I commend your loyalty for going through all that trouble to absolve something so inconsequential. Nationalism FTW!
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Old 02-05-2011, 02:06 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Faboy this fanboy that, still no one answered how the hell didn't they notice the injury in two weeks and let him play. You don't put a brace for no reason. Whatever... let's continue ass kissing the management of this organization
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Old 02-05-2011, 02:17 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Do you think that Management after signing this player to a huge contract, will allow him to play on such a serious injury? Maybe there was signs of it but playing in a professional sports causes some players to play when injured, dont be such a girl saying that they let this grown ass, 6 foot something 200 and something pound athlete play when he had some wear and tear, they didnt purposely let him play injured.

p.s. ive seen hockey players ice thier feet with a fractured foot to play in playoff games and who gets paid more, ball players or hockey players...just saying
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If that's true, then we can also blame the Raptors management for past economic downturns, men who go prematurely bald, and Justin Bieber.

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If that's true, then we can also blame the Raptors management for past economic downturns, men who go prematurely bald, and Justin Bieber.

At least prostate problems and killer bees are not Raps fault
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So the Raptors didn't force their best player Bosh to play last year with the playoffs on the line even though he was cleared to play by the doctors, but they tried to force Kleiza to play in the middle of a lost season...sure, I guess.

I'm also sure all the vitriol directed towrads Toronto by the Greek media has nothing to do with Kleiza leaving a Greek team to play here.
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So the Raptors didn't force their best player Bosh to play last year with the playoffs on the line even though he was cleared to play by the doctors, but they tried to force Kleiza to play in the middle of a lost season...sure, I guess.

I'm also sure all the vitriol directed towrads Toronto by the Greek media has nothing to do with Kleiza leaving a Greek team to play here.


So true.
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If that's true, then we can also blame the Raptors management for Justin Bieber.

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