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Old 08-13-2009, 08:53 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Suggesting that post play is disappearing is a gross over-statement.

Maybe the number of post-ups we see in a NBA game is going down, slightly. Disappearing though?
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Old 08-13-2009, 09:08 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Let’s move on to Bargnani. Nothing much to be said here, he doesn’t have a post-up game so we’re done with him.

Honestly, 100% absolute rubbish.

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WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bargnani can block shots. He can play D. He shoots lights out. He has a decent post game and is an inside threat because when big men come out to guard him, he blows by them! Bargnani is actually better than Nowitzki. Put him in his position and he'll get 27 and 7!
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Old 08-13-2009, 09:24 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Chris' best asset is his length and quickness. He can take guys out to 15 feet and get them to stand up to contest his jumper. Why do Raptor fans want Chris to play like a man with a big ass, when he does not have a big ass.

Chris Bosh backing down, backing down, will do nothing but wear himself out, and make opposing coaches smile.

What were Karl Malone's inside/outside percentages?

Chris just needs to keep getting better at that jumper. Make it so automatic that he can hit it over anybody at anytime at a 55% clip. That's the key to his success.

And the thing is, his post game isn't that bad. He's not a back to the basket player, but getting the ball in the post, he's pretty good. That's an important distinction to make in this discussion. Just because you're playing in the post doesn't mean you always have your back to the basket, which is what the writer seems to be implying in his article.


And you can get the same movement off high screens as you can post ups. You can also get the same 3, 4 guys sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to put up a shot. It's important to have an inside, outside game without a doubt.

But if you're team wants to have movement and cutters it's as simple as just having guys move, and sharing the ball. Regardless of whether it's initiated by a ball-screen, iso, or off the ball screen.

Remember the Charles Barkely 20 second post ups? Start at three point line, 10 well protected dribbles behind his enormous ass and it's convoy to the rim, and he had deep post position, with no movement at all from his teammates.

That type of post-dominant basketball was prevalent across the league in one of the hay days of basketball, and they CHANGED the rules because of the lack of movement.
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Why do Raptor fans want Chris to play like a man with a big ass, when he does not have a big ass.
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Old 08-13-2009, 10:21 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Not difficult to understand. He means that Bosh cant be a great post up player because he doesnt have the weight in the lower body that would let him back down his defender down the post.

I partially agree with this. Gasol is as thin as Bosh but he has a gazillion of efective post moves. But he also has the advantage of being taller and having longer arms.

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Old 08-13-2009, 10:22 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Man Bargs has to stop being a pussy.
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Old 08-13-2009, 10:52 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Not difficult to understand. He means that Bosh cant be a great post up player because he doesnt have the weight in the lower body that would let him back down his defender down the post.

I partially agree with this. Gasol is as thin as Bosh but he has a gazillion of efective post moves. But he also has the advantage of being taller and having longer arms.
I was thinking of Gasol as I was writing that. He does have 20 pounds on Bosh though. He's definitely built like Bosh above the waist, but I think he has some extra pounds down low. He definitely knows how to create space with his ass like all great post players.

Pau is fun to watch in the post.
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I think what makes able to play the post without having an imposing body are those long arms and being practically ambidextrous.
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Bargnani is actually better than Nowitzki. Put him in his position and he'll get 27 and 7!
As much as I like Bargnani, he is not in Dirk's class yet. Hopefully he will get there in a few years.
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Old 08-14-2009, 07:09 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Barkley's ass backdowns were one thing - and then Mark Jackson's style of play as well. That shit was pretty boring. And that's what made a guy like Garnett such a revelation.

And Bel makes a good point about Gasol being able to use both hands. It would be nice to see our bigs getting better with that. It would also be nice to see better passes into the post. I think Hedo will help with that.
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what about rasho, rasho's got the hook, a lil shiggity shot. I think we're alright this season, if demar breaks out, all I can say is BOOYAH!
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I was thinking of Gasol as I was writing that. He does have 20 pounds on Bosh though. He's definitely built like Bosh above the waist, but I think he has some extra pounds down low. He definitely knows how to create space with his ass like all great post players.

Pau is fun to watch in the post.
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Suggesting that post play is disappearing is a gross over-statement.

Maybe the number of post-ups we see in a NBA game is going down, slightly. Disappearing though?
in the sense that almost no teams rely on a dominant post player to create opportunities for the others, like SA.

the new trend is to have a uber quick PG, or a dominant wing create most of the shots and/or have fast PF/SF to create mismatches. A majority of NBA centers these days are just defensive presences who pose little threat on offense.

Perkins, Lee, Hibbert/Foster, Ben Wallace, Kwame Brown, Okafor, Chandler, Dampier, Hollins, Camby, Kaman, Oden, Przbylla and even bogut and howard are much better on defense than offense and can't really post well enough to create shots.

Even okafor, who on the surface seems to have posting abilities, can't do it well enough to threaten to score consistently - it's not enough to push your man around if you can't finish.
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