Raptors Republic: Gel Time and Some Salary Talk
Old 08-11-2009, 02:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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At the start of last season we had 5 new faces to the roster, two of whom included Will Solomon and Nathan Jawai with the major cog being Jermaine O’Neal. As the team struggled to start the season many of us (including me) felt that more time was needed in order for the team to ‘gel’ and show its true capability. Turned out that we just plain sucked and it had nothing to do with gelling. This year we have 7 new faces who will all be having a significant role on the team – Belinelli, DeRozan, Evans, Jack, Turkoglu, Wright and Nesterovic. Throw in the possible return of Delfino and you’ll have assembled a team that is about as familiar with each other as the Survivor cast.

Delfino and Nesterovic have played here before but the rest of the team has changed so much that their previous experiences don’t count for much. Question is how much gel-time does this team need? Consider that included in our first 18 games (through November) we play Cleveland, Orlando (twice), New Orleans, Dallas, San Antonio, Phoenix (twice), Denver, Utah and Boston, it’s not hard to imagine us struggling out of the gate only to hear the ‘gel theory’. It’s a shame because stretches like these will tell you exactly how good your team really is and we’re going to be heading into our first one with a ready-made excuse. Take for example last season’s miserable record against good teams and the way we beat the sloppy ones towards the end. You end with a feeling that you’re good enough to beat the worst but lose to the marginally good. Not a good feeling.

If ever there was a vital training camp this is going to be it. The effort dispensed during our pre-season last year was terrible and it’s no surprise that we ended it at 4-4 with some whooping at the hands of the Lakers, Denver and Philadelphia. The feel every single fan got out of the pre-season was that the team looked no better with each passing game. In other words: we got nothing out of it. Sam Mitchell’s post-game press-conferences spoke of development, players finding their niche, improved fitness and all that good stuff but as November wore on, we saw just how incoherent the team was. A big part of this sorry tale was the fact that our practices were tame, there wasn’t enough talent on the B-team (or the A-team for that matter) to actually test each other out so we went to battle with a false sense of accomplishment. Parker was scoring on Ukic in the post during practice and felt he could do the same against Joe Johnson. Not happening.

Training camp and pre-season is extremely important for any club which has gone through high turnover and the Raptors are one of them. One of the good feeling that I have is that since we have more talent on the team, we can have better practices, more competitive scrimmages and increase the lever of competition and intensity behind close doors. Hopefully that can prepare us better for what we face in game-situations. Jay Triano apparently lights up the Team USA scrimmages when he’s in command and maybe under the security of a new contract, he can bring that fiery attitude to pre-season and light up what lays dormant in the Raptors’ hearts.

A little quote about the Raptors from a recent John Hollinger ESPN Insider article :

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“It’s easy to split the difference and say they’ll be a .500-ish team, but I don’t think that will be the outcome. I’m expecting either a brilliant success or a spectacular failure, and I’m really not sure which.”
That’s the same feeling I got about last year’s team who’s Achilles heel turned out to be rebounding, something nobody anticipated. I’m not sure what the major weakness of next year’s team is going to be, some might say SG production, rebounding or bench-scoring but it’s all a little too early to tell. Training camp will yield answers about DeRozan’s NBA readiness, Belinelli’s usefulness, Rasho’s fuel tank, and perhaps most importantly, whether Bargnani and Bosh can, with the help of the other three, finally figure out how to play together without compromising the defensive glass. Last year the the major Bosh-Bargnani lineup cleaned up 42% of available rebounds, the number increased to 46% when Marion came over. With Jermaine O’Neal gone, those two will be playing even more minutes together and we have to sort out our defensive rotations and help-defense mechanics right out of training camp in order for the rebounding to have a chance.

Unlike last year we can’t be using the first 20 games of the season as gel time because 1) It’ll put us in a big hole and 2) We’ll lose our confidence since we weren’t able to beat any of the top-tier teams.



On to some luxury tax talk. Skip next season and move to 2010-11. We have $65.4M in committed contracts and that doesn’t include the raise Bosh is likely to get. He’s got a player option of $17M for the season and if we assume a raise a raise of $3M which he’s going to hold out for, it’ll take us to $68.5M. This is going to be over the luxury tax since ESPN is projecting it to be around $65M for that year. With no major contract endings that year, life in the luxury tax is almost certain and something MLSE should be prepared for.

Quick note about Bosh, from Sam Smith’s blog:

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“Toronto’s Bosh has been the other big name. But there are increasing indications he will remain in Toronto given an aggressive summer of acquisitions, including Hedo Turkoglu.”
I’m a little different because I wouldn’t be devastated if Bosh got traded, in fact, I would look at it as a great opportunity to get something for someone when their value is at their highest. If Colangelo’s moves have done one thing, it’s that they’ve quieted the Bosh rumour-mill to the point where they are completely silent. Unless the upcoming season is a failure (meaning no playoff victory), I just don’t see Bosh leaving because Colangelo’s going to shell out the cash. Why he hasn’t done this already is a little confusing and the only explanation I can think of is that he himself hasn’t valuated Bosh and is waiting for him to play a full year with a solid supporting cast.
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Old 08-11-2009, 02:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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You are right. Its not all about getting the right players for the team. Its about clicking with each other and playing like a team. We are playing tough games in Nov and if the team hasn't clicked yet than we will have a not so spectacular season. Something like first round exit. If we do a above .500 in nov, than we will be okay for the rest of the season.
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Old 08-11-2009, 02:22 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I agree. it is extremely important for the Raptors to come strong out of the gates. Triano and Co. will have to make the most out of training camp and pre-season games. Everybody's roles should be clearly defined by the start of the regular season.

And to the critics who say it impossible to gel quickly with so many new faces on the team, need only look at the Celtics team two seasons ago which came out with a bang despite a major shakeup of their roster. This is not to say that I expect the Raps to be a Celtics caliber team, but they certainly have the talent to start the season strong and have a successful campaign.
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Old 08-11-2009, 02:28 PM   #4 (permalink)
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bosh will NOT get a 3 million raise, it's not permitted by the CBA. At most he will get a 850k if I'm not mistaken.

And I don't think gelling is all that important. The only critical new piece is hedu, everybody else is either a bench player, or a very delimited role starter (whoever gets to start at 2 will be asked to defend and hit open shots). Jose + Bosh + Andreea should be very comfortable as a trio, and adding a point forward shouldnot be nearly as difficult as adding a Bosh clone in JO.
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They need to gel. Imagine Detroit's 04 or Spurs..without the chemistry
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bosh will NOT get a 3 million raise, it's not permitted by the CBA. At most he will get a 850k if I'm not mistaken.

And I don't think gelling is all that important. The only critical new piece is hedu, everybody else is either a bench player, or a very delimited role starter (whoever gets to start at 2 will be asked to defend and hit open shots). Jose + Bosh + Andreea should be very comfortable as a trio, and adding a point forward shouldnot be nearly as difficult as adding a Bosh clone in JO.
Gelling, in other words team chemistry, is not that important?! Are you out of your fuccin mind?!
Team chemistry, IMHO is one of the most important aspects for team success. You can have all the individual talent in the world, but that doesn't necessarily translate into team success unless you have chemistry as a unit.

With 7 new faces on the team, you better hope this team does gel-and gel quickly...otherwise the Raps will be going nowhere fast!
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And I don't think gelling is all that important. .
Ok.

Are you serious???

There's 8 new guys. 8. Eight. Ocho.

Gelling isn't important???

It's number 2 only to talent when looking at the success of any team in sports.

Sheesh!
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Ok.

Are you serious???

There's 8 new guys. 8. Eight. Ocho.

Gelling isn't important???

It's number 2 only to talent when looking at the success of any team in sports.

Sheesh!
My sentiment exactly. ^^Look above^^
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I remember reading, about a month ago, that Colangelo planned on making Bosh an offer after he weas done reshaping the team this off season. Colangelo has yet to make an offer and so I feel he still is trying to make another move.
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Rasho and Jack know each other pretty good.
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Old 08-11-2009, 04:11 PM   #11 (permalink)
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shit...just another article that gets me all excited about this up comming season, too bad its 70+ days away
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Of course chemistry is important, but it will be easier to achieve it than last season
yes, 8 new players, but the starting 5 is very well delimited, they should "gell" pretty fast
the bench will take longer, but not nearly as important as the starting 5
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