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Old 07-28-2009, 09:38 AM   #1 (permalink)
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So the Raptors roster has filled out pretty nicely over the offseason. The team has made several nice additions while losing very few key pieces. However, after an extremely disappointing 2008-09 season, and a few obvious weaknesses still remaining, it is still difficult to tell just how well the Raptors will do in 2009-10.

Ranking the offseason moves of all NBA teams, ESPN’s Chad Ford said of the Raptors, who rank 8th:

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Although I don’t think these moves suddenly make the Raptors a serious contender, I do think they’re a playoff team. Given last year’s disaster, that’s pretty significant.
But the term ‘playoff team’ means very little in a top-heavy Eastern Conference. With the power balance shifting from the West to the East this past season (an article for another time, but rest assured it happened), playoff-bound could mean a first round exit for the Raptors. In the East, behind powerhouses like the Celtics, Cavaliers, and Magic, the goal for most teams now appears to be 4th place. Not only does 4th place mean home court advantage in the first round, but it also means missing a first round matchup with either of the three aforementioned Beasts of the East.

So the question for Raps’ fans maybe shouldn’t be about Delfino, DeRozan, or 2010 Chris Bosh. Maybe we, as a collective, should be working to figure out if the 4th seed is a realistic goal for this team.

Considering the changes that accrue for a roster as offseason roster and philosophy changes are made, here is a look at the current roster based on previous performance, with the hope being to shed some light on how the Raptors stack up against the Heat, Wizards, 76ers, Bulls, Hawks, and Pistons (with apologies to those other teams).

Marcus Banks: “Laughin’ Straight to the” Banks’ $4.46M contributions can be summed up in one word: Ugh. I’d be surprised if he gets off the Inactive List this season. Last year he had a 7.83 PER, and he’s never had a PER close to 15.00 (league average). Hey, at least we’re on the hook for another year at that price tag!

Andrea Bargnani: “Il Mago” was paid this offseason. Paid. To the tune of $10M per season. Like I said, paid. Bargnani will make $6.53M this year before that extension kicks in. Last year his PER became razor close to the league average 15.00 (14.66) but things really started to look up in the second half of 2008-09, to the tune of 19.4-5.4-1.7-0.6-1.7 (P-R-A-S-B) with a 49.3% shooting percentage, 45.7% from downtown. Those numbers are mouth-watering and well worth the new price tag if he can pick up his defense and rebounding to any degree at all.

Chris Bosh: Not a lot to say about CB4, but the implicit goal of 2009-10 is to do well enough that Bosh stays for 2010-11 and beyond. He may not be a superstar, but he’s definitely a top-level player. His contract sees him earn $15.78M this year, so he’ll need to repeat his 22.7-10.0 (P-R) and 22.19 PER, but his leadership role and demeanor will be the real attributes tested this season.

Jose Calderon: Jose’s efficiency is something all point guards should strive for – he’s lead the league in assist-to-turnover ratio two years in a row, and he’s developed into one of the league’s deadliest shooters with a 61.3% true shooting percentage. His 18.88 PER is more than fine for his $8.22M contract, and the addition of Jarrett Jack should help ease his workload and keep him on the floor for 82 games.

DeMar DeRozan: He who shall remain nickname-less (for now) has been covered by yours truly. As I wrote last week (in my RR debut), DeRozan doesn’t need to be a superstar this year, but he will need to contribute immediately.

Quincy Douby: Q-Dubs probably won’t see a lot of run for the Raps this year, barring injuries, but for $0.86M he has potential as an end-of-the-roster fill-in. He’s not very efficient for a scorer (48.6 TSP and 10.26 PER), but he’s a deadly free throw shooter and good enough to score in streaks as a 12th man.

Reggie Evans: Evans is a rebounding machine. He can’t score, he can’t pass, and he doesn’t do enough to keep himself on the floor for long stretches, but he is constantly among the league leaders in Rebounding Rate. He put up 12.7 Rebounds per 40 and grabbed 19% of total rebounds when he was on the floor last year (14th in the league), making him a more-than-serviceable 4th big man for $4.96M.

Devean George: At 31 years old and with declining minutes the past two years, George was really just a salary-match in the Turkoglu sign-and-trade. George scores very little but can add veteran leadership and adequate wing defense if asked to, but it seems more likely he’ll play the Darrick Martin role or be trade bait at $1.60M expiring.

Jarrett Jack: The J-A-Double R-E-Double T (aka Angel) was a bit overpriced at a $4.5M starting salary, but I’m positive he’ll be worth it. He is a great friend of Chris Bosh, a great community member, and a great backup at the one- and two-guard. His PER has never reached the league-average 15.00 but he is a decent shooter, a great free-throw shooter, and a strong two-position defender. His contributions will, strangely, be a byproduct of DeRozan’s, as Jack will spell Calderon at the point and Wright/DeRozan at the two. Regardless of the minutes or the position, Jack is a monster depth addition to a team that sorely needed it.

Patrick O’Bryant: You would think, having been a lottery pick, that Irish Kobe would show some signs of development three years into his career. He really hasn’t, and size appears to be his only discernible ’skill.’ Patty O is on the books for $1.62M, which can’t even be considered a bargain given that his salary would be better used bought out to clear room under the luxury tax line (or for, say, Notorious PMB aka Prince Daddy Whale Slayer aka Pops Mensah-Bonsu). Like Banks, it would be a surprise to see O’Bryant on the floor much this year.

Hedo (Hidayet) Turkoglu: Turk was the marquee acquisition for the Raptors this offseason, part of a four-team sign-and-trade, and will be the team’s second highest paid player behind Chris Bosh at roughly $10M per season. Turkoglu is a great offensive weapon, though not necessarily an efficient one with a PER of 14.82. For the Raps, though, his key attributes are floor spacing (38.5% career three point shooter), his flare for the crunch time (top-50 in Production per 48 Clutch Time Minutes), and his offensive versatility (a sterling Versatility Index of 7.6 last year). His fit with the team is not being questioned; it’s a question of earning his sizable contract over the long haul and helping move the Raptors from also-ran to contender.

Roko Ukic: Roko Leni Loco appears to be an odd man out this year. Like Banks and O’Bryant, it appears he’ll be a member of the Inactive All-Stars, the D-League, or another franchise. Ukic struggled mightily last year, thrust into a back-up role after Wo-So (In Case Y’Aint Know So) ate it and was shipped out, and didn’t look a great deal better in Summer League. Colangelo has agreed to look for a new home for him, otherwise, Roko is a $1.35M trade chip (he has a player option at $1.45M he may decline to return to Europe).

Antoine Wright: Wright was acquired in the Turkoglu deal. While he was perceived to be a throw-in, he’s a huge grab for the defensively challenged Raptors, as he can guard three positions and isn’t an offensive liability. At $2.11M expiring, Wright will be a huge part of the team as DeRozan insurance, a defensive stopper, and/or trade bait.

Rasho Nesterovic: Arsenalist did a great job summing up Rasho’s role on this team. His personality and leadership cannot be understated, and that goes double for his unintentional comedy. As the team’s 3rd or 4th big man, The Slovenian Superman is a great value at $1.9M, a necessary defensive and rebounding presence, and a lovable goofy white guy on the team that may soon be named Bosh and the Lovable Goofy White Guys.

The 15th Man: Contract or not, I’m just going to assume this is Carlos Delfino. Livin’ Good ‘Loso probably isn’t worth the $4M or $5M he’s asking for, but with the Raptors technically unable to spend that money elsewhere it makes sense to give it to him in a short-term contract. Delfino is versatile on offense and defense, continues the theme of floor-spacers who can create their own shot, and has hopefully been humbled by an unhappy year in Russia to the point of being coachable for Jay Triano.

The overall theme here is that the Raptors project as a much better team than last year. While they haven’t managed to cover up any of their defensive problems from last season….well, y’kno, sometimes guys like a girl with a fat ass. More cushion for the pushin’, after all. If that lost you – point is, it’s okay to be optimistic about a team with obvious flaws, especially when the unspoken goal is the 4th seed in the East.

The difference between 4th and 8th in the conference won’t be an extra player or a D-League find. More than likely, the onus falls to Jay Triano to get the most out of a 10-man rotation that is long on depth but short on a clear playing time hierarchy.
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Jarrett Jack's starting salary is 4.5Mil? Is this fact?

If so, we'd still have 1.3Mil of the MLE to use, no? And if this is his starting salary it means his contract is backloaded and he could be making in accsess of 6-7Mil in his final season or two. Could that mean that if he works out that Jose will be traded in the next year or two?
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i like the idea of signin delfino on a one year deal for what ever he wants.... sounds good and at this point we kinda need him and we prob cant get anyone better with the remaining cash
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Love to see us sign Delfino to a one year. We would have his Bird rights next year and could give him a long term deal if he works out, which i'm sure he will.
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Jarrett Jack's starting salary is 4.5Mil? Is this fact?

If so, we'd still have 1.3Mil of the MLE to use, no? And if this is his starting salary it means his contract is backloaded and he could be making in accsess of 6-7Mil in his final season or two. Could that mean that if he works out that Jose will be traded in the next year or two?
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our only chance to make it to the second round is if we are the 4th or 5th seed.....and iam not sure if we can....
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Would I want to face Boston, Orlando or Cleveland in the first round? Not really. Are any of those teams unbeatable or even scary good? Not really.

Honestly, the last team I'd want to face in any of the first three rounds is a healthy Boston Celtics squad and even then I don't think that's the end of the world. We match up very well with Orlando, always have, and I don't think the Shaquille O'Neal experiment in Cleveland is going to go over well.
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Love to see us sign Delfino to a one year. We would have his Bird rights next year and could give him a long term deal if he works out, which i'm sure he will.
Yea we'll still have is bird rights even if we sign him to a one year deal. W just won't have the oppurtubity to match on offer sheet after the one year deal because after next year he'll be an unrestricted FA and not a restricted one
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Would I want to face Boston, Orlando or Cleveland in the first round? Not really. Are any of those teams unbeatable or even scary good? Not really.

Honestly, the last team I'd want to face in any of the first three rounds is a healthy Boston Celtics squad and even then I don't think that's the end of the world. We match up very well with Orlando, always have, and I don't think the Shaquille O'Neal experiment in Cleveland is going to go over well.
To be honest, our bench is better the any of those teams, if not..it's close. And also if Andrea continues where he left off last season i'll take my chances with Bosh/Bargs/Hedo/Jose/DD or Wright vs any of their starting lineups. Would we win, probably not. But it would interesting to watch and it wouldn't be shocking to me if we beat a team like Boston. Plus who knows what possible improvements can be made prior to the trade deadline through a trade.
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To be honest, our bench is better the any of those teams, if not..it's close. And also if Andrea continues where he left off last season i'll take my chances with Bosh/Bargs/Hedo/Jose/DD or Wright vs any of their starting lineups. Would we win, probably not. But it would interesting to watch and it wouldn't be shocking to me if we beat a team like Boston. Plus who knows what possible improvements can be made prior to the trade deadline through a trade.
i still don't think we have anyone that can even slow down pierce if he gets going tho...
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i still don't think we have anyone that can even slow down pierce if he gets going tho...
or kg, or sheed, or allen. well maybe allen just because he might be done


plus calls in the clutch usually go to the team that sells more jerseys. lets hope canadians still have some money in those wallets for stern to take notice
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i think we can stop kg and sheed fairly easily. kg can't create his own shot anymore (never really could), and Bargs can pretty much take sheed straight up now since he's primarily a perimiter scorer. bigs are a wash, and ray may go off or may not, depending on the day. he's not going to break down defenses, tho. none of these guys are.

except pierce, which is why i raised that spectre.
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i think we can stop kg and sheed fairly easily. kg can't create his own shot anymore (never really could), and Bargs can pretty much take sheed straight up now since he's primarily a perimiter scorer. bigs are a wash, and ray may go off or may not, depending on the day. he's not going to break down defenses, tho. none of these guys are.

except pierce, which is why i raised that spectre.
i think you might be overestimating the defensive pressence of our bigs. i think kg and sheed would still eat up Bosh and Bargnani specialy with the physicality of the playoffs.
lets not forget Calderon who probably would have to sit a series out with jack playing 40 minutes a night. Calderon is the last person in the league i want guarding rondo who's bread and butter is crossing up wide calf's
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i think you underestimte almost the entire raps team. i've never seen a fan so sure that they sky is falling.
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calderon is the last person in the league i want guarding rondo who's bread and butter is crossing up wide calf's
What is this "wide calves" nonsense you keep mumbling about? Are you literally referring to a calf muscle with a larger surface area than the typical calf muscle?
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What is this "wide calves" nonsense you keep mumbling about? Are you literally referring to a calf muscle with a larger surface area than the typical calf muscle?


yes. wide calf's. the kind that slow you down and put massive strain on your hammy's
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yes. wide calf's. the kind that slow you down and put massive strain on your hammy's
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i think you underestimte almost the entire raps team. i've never seen a fan so sure that they sky is falling.
perhaps, but i can't help but think back to last year. could be deja vu, not fond of turkoglu's game, not for what i thought we needed

plus i think the league really wants Bosh in a amercian jersey. they took notice of what a star he can become last olympics, and have been drooling over him ever since. i really can't see this team getting the benifit of the doubt even if they are a good team. just not enough jerseys sold. perhaps the nation of turky can help because 300 million americans customers don't want a jersey with a maple leaf on it
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perhaps, but i can't help but think back to last year. could be deja vu, not fond of turkoglu's game, not for what i thought we needed

plus i think the league really wants Bosh in a amercian jersey. they took notice of what a star he can become last olympics, and have been drooling over him ever since. i really can't see this team getting the benifit of the doubt even if they are a good team. just not enough jerseys sold. perhaps the nation of turky can help because 300 million americans customers don't want a jersey with a maple leaf on it
Yeah they want one with little leprechaun from the lucky charms fatory instead.
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Hedu did a decent job on pierce in the playoffs
the bigger concern is rondo imo
either way, if they're healthy, we'd be longshots

however, we should matchup very well with the magic
if andreea can defend Howard 1 on 1, we'd be favorite
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