Raptors ranked 2nd in offseason trades
Old 08-20-2009, 10:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Bryan Colangelo did an excellent job working what is a very difficult situation in Toronto. While it may be unfair considering how awesome of a city Toronto is, it bears remembering that it is not the most desirable destination for a large portion of NBA players. As such, it is important to add talent whenever possible while also maximizing the available resources. In effect, the Raptors built a team that will persist even if Chris Bosh leaves for southern pastures.

In Jose Calderon, Andrea Bargnani and Hedo Turkoglu, Toronto has three legitimate NBA starters who will mesh together very well. While they did not get a true starting SG, the trio of DeMar DeRozan, Marco Belinelli and Antoine Wright should do incredibly well at filling the gap, and ideally DMDR will take over the reins full-time in a couple of seasons.

I also love the addition of Rasho Nesterovic, since he is a good complement to both Bosh and Bargnani and also gives Colangelo some leeway in terms of finding a big man to put next to Andrea for the long haul.

Amir Johnson gives them more depth without giving up a player who would get minutes on the current team. Add to that the fact that Toronto has a valid backup to push Calderon again in Jarrett Jack and you have the makings of a team that can stay relevant in the East.
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I personally believe we should rank 1st. But NBA writers will never put us in the top in anything... Hedo, jack, beli, rasho, johnson.... Writers are blind to see that amount of new talent present in Toronto..

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Well if were talking about top trades, Jefferson to the Spurs definately gives the Spurs another shot at a title. That is why I essentially believe they are ranked a head of us. Sure, we made some really good trades, But we realistically are not really ready to contend for a title. I think second is fine, and it's definately better then last.
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I personally believe we should rank 1st. But NBA writers will never put us in the top in anything... Hedo, jack, beli, rasho, johnson.... Writers are blind to see that amount of new talent present in Toronto..
+ Wright

The fact is this team was going nowhere and fast. And within 6 weeks, we are now a top 5 team in the East, at least on paper.


In: Turk, Jack, Belinelli, Wright, Johnson , Rasho, Evans, Derozan

out: Kapono, Graham, Parker, Marion, Banks, Humphries, Jawai, Ukic


It's almost too funny, how much dead weight we've shed and how much better we now are. We aren't championship contenders, but we should be fun to watch and make things very interesting come next April. And that is the first step to moving into the direction of being one of the top 3 teams in the East in a few years, once Boston is too old and Cleveland probably starts to decline with or without Lebron.
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Well if were talking about top trades, Jefferson to the Spurs definately gives the Spurs another shot at a title. That is why I essentially believe they are ranked a head of us. Sure, we made some really good trades, But we realistically are not really ready to contend for a title. I think second is fine, and it's definately better then last.
Richard jefferson wont make a big difference in spurs compare to hedo and jack and beli would do to toronto... Spurs made playoffs and we didnt. So we automatically improved more than any team since we will make the playoffs...richard jefferson trade is overrated...duncan's leg is not the same...tony parker quickness is not the same...
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Jefferson going to the Spurs makes them a contender, we made move to put us in the playoff picture. I think that's is a more significant factors. It's not really overated, it was a great trade for the spurs. Parker and Duncan are still great in the league and alongside Jefferson and Manu they will be a tough team in the west. I put them second behind LA. a very close second.
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Jefferson going to the Spurs makes them a contender, we made move to put us in the playoff picture. I think that's is a more significant factors. It's not really overated, it was a great trade for the spurs. Parker and Duncan are still great in the league and alongside Jefferson and Manu they will be a tough team in the west. I put them second behind LA. a very close second.
Funny, i've always thought people overrated Jefferson. His stats are amazing, but for some reason i'm not a big fan. But i do think that putting him on a team with Duncan, Parker, Manu should make them contenders again and put them in the top 3. On the other hand they don't have enough to get past the Lakers.
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Funny, i've always thought people overrated Jefferson. His stats are amazing, but for some reason i'm not a big fan. But i do think that putting him on a team with Duncan, Parker, Manu should make them contenders again and put them in the top 3. On the other hand they don't have enough to get past the Lakers.
They have defense and clutch performance from the insane depth of their bench. I still find the Spurs, if healthy, a dominant team that can give the Lakers an early exit in the playoffs.
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I don't know it will be a crazy conference finals. I personally think the Spurs could pull it off, it would all depend on how Manu plays next season. If he plays anything close to what he can play they will be very strrong.
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I don't know it will be a crazy conference finals. I personally think the Spurs could pull it off, it would all depend on how Manu plays next season. If he plays anything close to what he can play they will be very strrong.
I hope not. I hate the Spurs, they put me to sleep and Jefferson only adds to that imo.
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Jefferson going to the Spurs makes them a contender, we made move to put us in the playoff picture. I think that's is a more significant factors. It's not really overated, it was a great trade for the spurs. Parker and Duncan are still great in the league and alongside Jefferson and Manu they will be a tough team in the west. I put them second behind LA. a very close second.
I agree with you regarding parker and duncan being great players in the league. My point I am trying to make is that we should rank 1st in the offseason moves and its obvious. Richard jefferson was benched by bucks...his impact in the nets wasnt evident. Spurs cannot be second to LA , since nuggets were in the western finals. Realistically speaking, spurs are not a contender. Toronto moves put them way beyond playoff picture and puts us for eastern champion ship. Our bench could be starters and our assitant coach was a head coach. We are packing from every side..


Consider this...top 4 teams left in the second round...Magic..Boston..Cavs and Raps... i can imagine Raps going head to head against any of those teams and can beat them..We have the fire power to do it this year...We can compare them player to player and we come out equal with them or even better...
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I agree with you regarding parker and duncan being great players in the league. My point I am trying to make is that we should rank 1st in the offseason moves and its obvious. Richard jefferson was benched by bucks...his impact in the nets wasnt evident. Spurs cannot be second to LA , since nuggets were in the western finals. Realistically speaking, spurs are not a contender. Toronto moves put them way beyond playoff picture and puts us for eastern champion ship. Our bench could be starters and our assitant coach was a head coach. We are packing from every side..


Consider this...top 4 teams left in the second round...Magic..Boston..Cavs and Raps... i can imagine Raps going head to head against any of those teams and can beat them..We have the fire power to do it this year...We can compare them player to player and we come out equal with them or even better...
Well your wrongs on one factor, Spurs are contenders. Period, they trade they made was probably the best move in the offseason to make a team a contender. We did not make any moves to suddenly make ourselves contenders. We will be luck to make it to the second round. If you realistically think we are going to beat any of the top 3 teams in the east in a 7 games series, youíre wrong. Maybe if we got some consistency from certain players, *cough*Andrea*Cough* then in a couple seasons we may contend. Nuggets will fall short next season, probably come 3rd or 4th. Sure, we got one really good player with an ugly contract, and traded for Evans, Belli, Wright, Johnson. (Those are the only significant players) but none of that push's us as a contender.

BTW - I have no idea where you got that he was benched by the bucks, considering he started all 82 games last season, seems pretty healthy to me. Sometimes it's best to not be so optimistic and see the truth behind things.
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Well your wrongs on one factor, Spurs are contenders. Period, they trade they made was probably the best move in the offseason to make a team a contender. We did not make any moves to suddenly make ourselves contenders. We will be luck to make it to the second round. If you realistically think we are going to beat any of the top 3 teams in the east in a 7 games series, youíre wrong. Maybe if we got some consistency from certain players, *cough*Andrea*Cough* then in a couple seasons we may contend. Nuggets will fall short next season, probably come 3rd or 4th. Sure, we got one really good player with an ugly contract, and traded for Evans, Belli, Wright, Johnson. (Those are the only significant players) but none of that push's us as a contender.

BTW - I have no idea where you got that he was benched by the bucks, considering he started all 82 games last season, seems pretty healthy to me. Sometimes it's best to not be so optimistic and see the truth behind things.
Celtics history shows that...they missed playoffs and the next season they won a championship....why would nuggets fall short(than why wont spurs fall short), hedo's contract is not ugly...he will give us 3 solid years and by than thats 3 first round picks added to the roaster.....first round exit...i dont think so...which team can beat us in the first round...we are the top 4 team..according twitter you are considered "negative user"... : )
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Celtics history shows that...they missed playoffs and the next season they won a championship....why would nuggets fall short(than why wont spurs fall short), hedo's contract is not ugly...he will give us 3 solid years and by than thats 3 first round picks added to the roaster.....first round exit...i dont think so...which team can beat us in the first round...we are the top 4 team..according twitter you are considered "negative user"... : )
haham The Celtics also aquired 2 all stars, greatest players of all time. That's an unfair comparison for the Celtics. Hedo's contract is really ugly, especially if Bosh bolts. If you don't think his contract is ugle then I don't really know what to tell you anymore. If were good, our first round picks will be lower, which will give us a lesser shot and getting an impact player in the draft, though it could happen. Remember when we were 3rd and lost to the Nets? probably will come between 4th and 6th, we will probably end up playing Washington or Atlanta. Washingtion will give us a run, and so will Atlanta. and if we get 6th, we will be screwed. Period.

I have no idea what you are talking about about twitter. Just saying.
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haham The Celtics also aquired 2 all stars, greatest players of all time. That's an unfair comparison for the Celtics. Hedo's contract is really ugly, especially if Bosh bolts. If you don't think his contract is ugle then I don't really know what to tell you anymore. If were good, our first round picks will be lower, which will give us a lesser shot and getting an impact player in the draft, though it could happen. Remember when we were 3rd and lost to the Nets? probably will come between 4th and 6th, we will probably end up playing Washington or Atlanta. Washingtion will give us a run, and so will Atlanta. and if we get 6th, we will be screwed. Period.

I have no idea what you are talking about about twitter. Just saying.
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It was just suppose to be haha. But thanks for the suggestio Jeff, your always on the ball.
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Celtics history shows that...they missed playoffs and the next season they won a championship....why would nuggets fall short(than why wont spurs fall short), hedo's contract is not ugly...he will give us 3 solid years and by than thats 3 first round picks added to the roaster.....first round exit...i dont think so...which team can beat us in the first round...we are the top 4 team..according twitter you are considered "negative user"... : )
I like your optimism. It's great to be a Raptors fan these days. But let's see how the season plays out before calling us "top 4", because that's essentially saying we are the best out of the middle-tier teams in the east. We need to see how they play, maybe wait 30 to 40 games, before reaching that assessment.

Miami, Chicago, Atlanta, Philly are all dangerous teams that can push us out of the 4th or 5th seed. We don't want to face the 3 monsters sitting mightily at the top come playoff time, and neither do they. So I think it will be a close fight for the 4th and 5th seed. Can't wait
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that's pretty damn good coming in 2nd
but still if you think about the amount of change from our old roster to now, as in how much better we are.. Raptors should rank 1st in off season trades.
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