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Old 01-09-2012, 12:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This is from a piece by Koreen that I posted in the dish LINK

Apparently we are the third slowest team in the league, with just a hair more possessions than Boston and Detroit. And we are not playing the passing lanes for turnovers, so those numbers are at the very bottom of the league.

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For now, the offence and defence are inextricably related. The Raptors’ defence is, to over-simplify it, a passive one. Casey explained earlier in the season that he wanted his defence to be less aggressive in passing lanes and more committed to fortifying the interior. Toronto’s opponents are shooting just 40.2% from the floor, with only Philadelphia holding their opponents to a lower accuracy. That is promising.

But practising that type of defence has contributed to the Raptors causing just 11 turnovers per game, the fewest in the league heading into Sunday. That is where the offence comes into play.

The Raptors are currently playing at the third-slowest pace in the league. They average just 90.9 possessions per game, with only Boston and Detroit using fewer, both incrementally so. The predictable offshoot of that: Toronto is averaging 6.7 fast-break points per game, fewest in the league. The easiest way to run on offence is to cause turnovers on the other end. You can run in other situations — off of long rebounds, in particular — but running is most effective when creating turnovers, as there is not much time for the opposition to transition from offence to defence.

The problem is that this team is not at all fit to trade half-court offensive possessions. They have one player, Bargnani, who can score with some regularity in one-on-one situations. They have another, Jose Calderon, who can run the pick-and-roll very effectively. But players such as DeMar DeRozan, Ed Davis and Amir Johnson excel in transition. DeRozan is a nice finisher in transition, while Davis and Johnson are much more nimble and co-ordinated in full stride than most of the big men they face. And when Leandro Barbosa is off of his game, as he was this weekend, the Raptors’ half-court problem is exacerbated.

In the short term, de-emphasizing some of the strengths of several young players makes little sense. This Raptors season, though, has more than an eye on the future. Casey was charged with transforming the team’s defence and identity, and he has to find out which of the players currently on the roster will be able to contribute while playing that style.

Casey is also concerned about winning, so he might free up his players to press more for turnovers at some point. But that will not happen until these Raptors have proven they have mastered the fundamentals of Casey’s defensive philosophy. He will only allow some of his treasured defensive rules to be broken when he is confident that his players know them. Until then, we could be in for the occasional abhorrent offensive evening.
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Old 01-09-2012, 01:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think its fair, but the Raps are also not leaking out, they have been staying home to rebound. I have noticed the guards rebounding seemed to be higher for a few games.

I wonder if thats part of it.

Either way, it's a work in progress right... so you can't have it all right away.
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Old 01-09-2012, 01:26 PM   #3 (permalink)
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it would also really help if we had someone who could penetrate and break down defences off the dribble.
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Old 01-09-2012, 02:08 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Well it would seem that we only have two guys consistently hitting the outside shot, and 2-3 that just cannot, ever. This makes it hard for guys to penetrate when defenses dont respect the shots and just pack the paint. The raps get a lot of open looks that they full on clang.
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Old 01-09-2012, 02:10 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I have this feeling that our team isn't particularly well conditioned. And With Andrea and Jose using a lot of energy on defensive (more so then earlier seasons) the offense is waiting for them to catch up or at least maintain a pace that is capable for them to keep their legs for 48 minutes. With Bayless out and Carter making Jose look like John Wall the offense is looking very slow. I also thinks it reflective in our shooting. That third qrt. was awful and was all because the didn't seem to have the endurance to stick open shots. I think Amir has alot of Half court potential on the pick n' roll and also shooting that elbow jumper. And Demar could easily be adding more motion to his half court game.
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i don't want to take anything away from what casey has done here,he has improved the culture and attitude and we're headed in the right direction, but i feel people are giving him too much credit after the early start.
as this article stats we're at the bottom of the league in possessions and playing safe, add to the fact that with the shortened season, the offense is expected to be down league wide. so yes, our points against is lower and our defense is better, but i take it with a grain of salt.
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Well it would seem that we only have two guys consistently hitting the outside shot, and 2-3 that just cannot, ever. This makes it hard for guys to penetrate when defenses dont respect the shots and just pack the paint. The raps get a lot of open looks that they full on clang.
i don't really buy this. amir has a reliable 15-17 footer. jose and Bargs can shoot mid range and from beyond the 3 line, demar has a solid mid range game and has been sticking 3's this year. butler shoudl be able to shoot, but can't...

for our starters, shooting should really not be a problem.
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Old 01-09-2012, 02:46 PM   #8 (permalink)
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i m agree with that article.

derozan is the one who show the fact better than other. when he is on transition, you see him stop along the 3pt line, and wait for teammate too often. result of less quick point ability for us, less FT and less foul for opponant.
not good for an offense.

barg is the only one who goes in by himself regulary. that bad sign for the team. JJ try to impose himself by posting-up opponant, but he need more time to adjust gis offense. (please JJ don't shot, but bet ride at the basket)

in really think bayless out is a real problem for us. because he open the floor and strech D for barbosa to penetrate. with jose, or Carter barbosa don't have the open lines.


youand me had seen Casey scream at caldy when he stop the offense. so i presume that is not what the offense system should be.

i will be patient, but this offense is very not that good. just need to remember our D is much better. and guys have work hard since beginning pre-season, and many games already.

just watch the standing conferences : many team with new coah and lot of new player added are not in the top.

so we can have hope this will be a training season for casey and the roster to put a system together and learn how to play together.

let's go raps !!!
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Old 01-09-2012, 02:51 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Slow & Safe with a PG like Calderon isn't exactly shocking. Those two words describe him to a tee.
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Old 01-09-2012, 03:33 PM   #10 (permalink)
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it would also really help if we had someone who could penetrate and break down defences off the dribble.
Oh man do I agree!!! We should pick up anyone who can do this!

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Old 01-09-2012, 04:13 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The irony of it all. People have lambasted Colangelo for his 'offensive run and gun" philosophy and yet now that they've slowed it down, it's a problem. Not only that, the only player suited to play in a half court offence is the much-maligned Bargnani. I find this all very amusing.

It's clearly better to slow the game down when you only have one consistent offensive option (AB of course) and your opponents have much more talent than you have. It's elementary.
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The irony of it all. People have lambasted Colangelo for his 'offensive run and gun" philosophy and yet now that they've slowed it down, it's a problem. Not only that, the only player suited to play in a half court offence is the much-maligned Bargnani. I find this all very amusing.

It's clearly better to slow the game down when you only have one consistent offensive option (AB of course) and your opponents have much more talent than you have. It's elementary.
when people were asking asking to abandon the run and gun offense, it doesn't mean to now become bottom of the league in possessions. but i agree that you play with what you have and right now we would be below average in whatever style we choose to play.
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The irony of it all. People have lambasted Colangelo for his 'offensive run and gun" philosophy and yet now that they've slowed it down, it's a problem. Not only that, the only player suited to play in a half court offence is the much-maligned Bargnani. I find this all very amusing.

It's clearly better to slow the game down when you only have one consistent offensive option (AB of course) and your opponents have much more talent than you have. It's elementary.
Yep. Less possessions = greater random variation from the expectation. As an example, in the extreme, the Raps have a better chance of beating the Heat over the course of a minute than over the course of a 7 game series. When the expectation is a loss, you want that variation to be great. This results in surprising wins like we've seen and embarrassing losses, like we've also seen.
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Old 01-09-2012, 05:06 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Being the slowest in the league doesn't matter as much if you don't have Butler starting for you. It doesnt surprise me at all we went from dead last in one thing to almost dead last in another. Talent just isn't there.
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Being the slowest in the league doesn't matter as much if you don't have Butler starting for you. It doesnt surprise me at all we went from dead last in one thing to almost dead last in another. Talent just isn't there.
To be fair, being dead last in pace means very little. Being dead last in defense means a heck of a lot. Even with the recent setback, this team still looks much better than last year's.
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it would help if this team had something on offense at all outside of Jose and Bargs.

That speaks volumes of the shape of the team.

Bargs and jose have been doing very well borderline great so far, but they need someone to make a jumper, or drive the lane, or do something productive on the offensive end of the floor. Someone, anyone.
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Old 01-09-2012, 05:27 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Seriously DeRozan has been so incredibly over passive. the uncountable times he jogs down court and parks himself in the corner for the whole posession. JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESUS
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Seriously DeRozan has been so incredibly over passive. the uncountable times he jogs down court and parks himself in the corner for the whole posession. JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESUS
Seriously, it's unreal!

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I've got no problem with the way Casey is handling things. He's just going to need the players to make it work. That comes later. The last thing I want to see is compromising principles for the sake of this or that player.
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I think the recent lack of offense is a low and the wins were a high. The results will be somewhere in between there. What I am happy to see, regardless, is a clear attention to defense that has been far too lacking here. The offense will come as players continue to work and the team brings in more talent, but the attention to defense and good habits are immeasurably valuable right now.

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