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Dr. J. Naismith 07-21-2008 12:43 PM

Raptors Off-Season Notes Courtesy of Grange
 
Just a little tidbit from Michael who's touches on Graham's excellent, but not so excellent summer league, Jawai and what Andrea's up to in the next little bit. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Grange
A quick note on Summer League, which admittedly got scant coverage here as I was only too happy to focus on the Olympic qualifying tournament.

From what I gather, it's over, and you could make the case that Joey Graham was the most valuable player, given he averaged 18 points and 6.4 rebounds in five games.

This, of course, proves nothing. The Raptors were 1-4 in Vegas, suggesting that even in Summer League, Graham's most likely role is best player on a bad team. And let's look at those numbers: He did average 32 minutes a game, most on the team, so the numbers are going to come. But he also shot a not-so-impressive 46.7 per cent from the floor and averaged 3.8 turnovers a game and oh yeah six fouls.

Nothing personal against Graham he's always been polite and friendly to everyone that I've ever noticed. And I respect the fact that he's a three-year veteran who's willing to put the time in and come to Vegas to try and impress his employers.

But the reality is he's heading into his fourth NBA season. He's a physical marvel. He's 26 years old. He should rule at Summer League.

A line that would impress me? Something efficient. Something that indicates he's staying ahead of the game mentally. A high shooting percentage, low turnover numbers and low foul totals.

That didn't happen, so I'm not that impressed.

Hard to get a read on Nathan Jawai based on two games, but I've only heard good things not surprising at this stage. But the fact he got four offensive rebounds in 17 minutes the other night is encouraging. A guy his size that has a nose for the ball is intriguing.

A note on Bargnani. He's going to be spending the next two weeks in Vegas, I'm told. The first at Joe Abunassar's Impact Basketball facility where be working out under the eye of Gordon Herbert.

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Adequate Swag 07-21-2008 01:00 PM

He's criticizing 47% shooting from a wing player? Always looking on the bright side, that Grange.

The turnovers and the fouls are obviously areas of concern, but what was he expecting?

Joey Graham is getting way too much coverage this summer for a guy who has basically been written off as a contributor by coaches and fans.

Major 07-21-2008 01:05 PM

6 fouls a game?? That's nuts.

But then again I feel bad for Joey here. He's not trying to impress anyone yet he's got guys like Grange who are bashing on him. I like his ppg and rebounding stats though. But he's clearly gotta work on his defense.

dfunkie1 07-21-2008 01:20 PM

summer league is also a ref training camp. that's why players don't foul out.

Snooch 07-21-2008 01:22 PM

My gift for Joey.....


http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_lrg...7/30633857.jpg

Superjudge 07-21-2008 01:45 PM

oh please, how do you even judge a guy in a summer league game, they are so all over the place, worse than the rookie allstar game.


Why even pay attention?

Snooch 07-21-2008 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 44798)
oh please, how do you even judge a guy in a summer league game, they are so all over the place, worse than the rookie allstar game.


Why even pay attention?

Exactly SJ

Superjudge 07-21-2008 01:50 PM

I'm serious.

Th emedia would cover there bloody rectal exams during traiing camp if they could. Rookie camps are like glorified pick up games, and rarely do the top performers on paper make the team.

Adequate Swag 07-21-2008 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 44805)
I'm serious.

Th emedia would cover there bloody rectal exams during traiing camp if they could. Rookie camps are like glorified pick up games, and rarely do the top performers on paper make the team.

Well there are things you can pick up by actually watching the game, in terms of skills, strengths, weaknesses, etc.

But yeah... the box scores dont mean much, and you can hardly judge a players intelligence, intangibles or "basketball IQ" during games featuring very little set offense or defense.

jeffb 07-21-2008 10:50 PM

Call me crazy,but what is wrong with 47% shooting from a wing player?


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