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Why would Chicago want a PG ? ( or any thing on our roster for that matter )
To help make sure they get into the playoffs and get a decent seed. Hinrich has lost a step and is not exactly tearing it up for the Bulls. They could use a guy like Jose or Lowry to start for them until Rose gets back. And it's uncertain whether Rose will play at all this year or be anywhere near 100%. So a PG rental also serves as an insurance policy in case Rose can't play. It gives the Bulls somebody who could at least help them win a round in the playoffs. And Bulls management cares about that extra revenue. In theory, at least, a PG rental makes sense.

The part that does NOT make sense is bringing Deng into the equation. No way in hell Chicago trades us Deng for Jose or Lowry.
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To help make sure they get into the playoffs and get a decent seed. Hinrich has lost a step and is not exactly tearing it up for the Bulls. They could use a guy like Jose or Lowry to start for them until Rose gets back. And it's uncertain whether Rose will play at all this year or be anywhere near 100%. So a PG rental also serves as an insurance policy in case Rose can't play. It gives the Bulls somebody who could at least help them win a round in the playoffs. And Bulls management cares about that extra revenue. In theory, at least, a PG rental makes sense.

The part that does NOT make sense is bringing Deng into the equation. No way in hell Chicago trades us Deng for Jose or Lowry.
I don't think they need the reassurance. Hinrich regardless of losing a step is still a better defender then both options. Robinson is still a better scoring option then both. I think the Bulls know there is little chance they crack the top 4 in the east, so renting in the hopes they get 5-6 which one would suspect would be Indy or Atlanta. Jose or lowry really aren't going to give that much a boost in either of those situations. Chicago needs Rose to get past the first round.
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I don't think they need the reassurance. Hinrich regardless of losing a step is still a better defender then both options. Robinson is still a better scoring option then both. I think the Bulls know there is little chance they crack the top 4 in the east, so renting in the hopes they get 5-6 which one would suspect would be Indy or Atlanta. Jose or lowry really aren't going to give that much a boost in either of those situations. Chicago needs Rose to get past the first round.
I agree that Hinrich is still a better defender than Jose, but, on an already good defensive team, like the Bulls, Jose's flaws are not as big a deal. It's made up at the other end. As for Robinson, yeah, he can score, but he does not run an offense well at all. The Bulls offense could really benefit from an upgrade. I honestly think what Jose would give them in terms of running an offense makes them a better overall team than with Hinrich or Robinson at PG. And, in my opinion, it would make them good enough to challenge for the 4th seed and get out of the first round.

Like I said, no way in hell they give us Deng though. We're not getting our SF from them.
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Old 12-27-2012, 12:59 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Chicago would.

They would send us Deng though.
For Calderon? Why would they?
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The Pacers would be wise to move Granger because George can take over that 3 spot, offensively and defensively. His game looks like it is at another level this season compared to last season. The only way I think a trade for Granger makes sense here is if his expiring contract next year (~$14 million) is worth something as a trade chip, but the expiring contracts seem less valuable now than they used to.
The Pacers might want to trade Granger if they want to target someone like Millsap or Josh Smith this summer. I don't know that they do.
If they do, Calderon+Ross or something would make sense. Not saying the Raptors would do it, but I think this is the sort of trade the Pacers would consider.

I don't agree that they should trade him for the sake of trading him. George still gets killed by big 3s, and he's still brilliant defending 2s, smaller 3s and even 1s. Granger is good vs. big 3s but has trouble with small quick guys. They complement each other. Offensively, there's no reason why two big wings can't play together when they are both so good off the ball / shooting.
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Granger wouldn't be bad. He does bring an attitude lacking from this team and the guy would instantly become our most clutch shooter. But The Pacers are going to want Jose Back in return. They are desperate for a steady hand for their second rotation. This could be a great opportunity to dump Feilds as well. say Granger/ Augustine for Calderon/ Feilds. We dump a bad contract and get almost a 4 million expiring.
If Calderon was Steph Curry, then maybe. The Raptors aren't likely to trade Calderon for a much better player and improve their long term cap situation in the same trade.
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Augustin/Granger for Jose/Fields - Indy laughs hysterically

Granger, Augustin, Pendergraph for Jose, Bargs and AA (although he'd have to give his consent to it). Or Granger/Augustin for Jose, Bargs + a second rounder.
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I like granger's all-around game, but he's a volume shooter with a heavily documented history of knee issues. He'd be a good solution, but definitely not the answer. If we'd be squeezing anyone from the pacers, I'd be gunning for hill. We shouldn't have to take any dead weight in contracts back with us if we're going to be taking the risk of granger' health.
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Augustin/Granger for Jose/Fields - Indy laughs hysterically

Granger, Augustin, Pendergraph for Jose, Bargs and AA (although he'd have to give his consent to it). Or Granger/Augustin for Jose, Bargs + a second rounder.
This is much better, but i don't like this either, if i'm Indy. Too much salary for a David West's backup.
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If Calderon was Steph Curry, then maybe. The Raptors aren't likely to trade Calderon for a much better player and improve their long term cap situation in the same trade.
Granger is on the way out and he is carrying a 14 million contract. A huge impediment to the pacers resigning West, which if you watched a Pacers game this season you would see is focal point of their offense. They will not be shopping for millsap Or any other PF this off season West is there man. They are not at all concerned at 3 because they have George and a not so bad Gerald Green coming off the bench. Also Keep in mind we are taking DJ augustine back in the trade, he could very well be the worst PG in the league and we would be taking on salary. The Pacers need a player that can get their centers in the game as well as Hansborough, guys who can't create for them selves. Plus we would be giving them a starting SG in Fields. Edit. If need be we could throw in AA or Maguire, to sweeten and we would still have Bargs and Kleiza for a second deal for PF.

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This is much better, but i don't like this either, if i'm Indy. Too much salary for a David West's backup.
Thanks. Yeah I know but you have to consider West is an expiring contract. Maybe they could use him to find a PG or SG?
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Granger is on the way out and he is carrying a 14 million contract. A huge impediment to the pacers resigning West, which if you watched a Pacers game this season you would see is focal point of their offense. They will not be shopping for millsap Or any other PF this off season West is there man. They are not at all concerned at 3 because they have George and a not so bad Gerald Green coming off the bench. Also Keep in mind we are taking DJ augustine back in the trade, he could very well be the worst PG in the league and we would be taking on salary. The Pacers need a player that can get their centers in the game as well as Hansborough, guys who can't create for them selves. Plus we would be giving them a starting SG in Fields. Edit. If need be we could throw in AA or Maguire, to sweeten and we would still have Bargs and Kleiza for a second deal for PF.
I don't agree with so much here.
First of all, Granger doesn't prevent them from resigning David West at all. They'll be 20 mil+ under tax next year, plenty of room to resign West and add some bench guys. If they choose to keep West instead of pursuing a younger PF, they have no reasons to clear next year's cap space.
Secondly, DJA is on a 1 year contract. Or a half year contract now. Taking him on is not a big deal.
And Landry Fields is on a terrible 3 year contract and there's no reason for the Pacers to want Fields as their starter. Especially compared to Granger.
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Augustin/Granger for Jose/Fields - Indy laughs hysterically

Granger, Augustin, Pendergraph for Jose, Bargs and AA (although he'd have to give his consent to it). Or Granger/Augustin for Jose, Bargs + a second rounder.
WOW!!! I don't know if you are over rating or under rating, But thank Christ you aren't in charge of this team. Lets just trade our only two assets for guy who just went threw a major surgery the absolute worst point guard getting over 15 minutes a game and our only draft pick. Wake up and wipe the Babcock from your eyes.
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WOW!!! I don't know if you are over rating or under rating, But thank Christ you aren't in charge of this team. Lets just trade our only two assets for guy who just went threw a major surgery the absolute worst point guard getting over 15 minutes a game and our only draft pick. Wake up and wipe the Babcock from your eyes.
you are selling the Raptors very short.
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I don't agree with so much here.
First of all, Granger doesn't prevent them from resigning David West at all. They'll be 20 mil+ under tax next year, plenty of room to resign West and add some bench guys. If they choose to keep West instead of pursuing a younger PF, they have no reasons to clear next year's cap space.
Secondly, DJA is on a 1 year contract. Or a half year contract now. Taking him on is not a big deal.
And Landry Fields is on a terrible 3 year contract and there's no reason for the Pacers to want Fields as their starter. Especially compared to Granger.
They have to fill almost 7 roster spots at season's end. Depending on if they put forth the qualifying offer to Hansbrough. They don't have a single sg apart from Lance Stevenson. West is going to be looking for 12 to 14 million a year (if not more) and the years to end his career. So yes they need to punt Granger stat.
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you are selling the Raptors very short.
I meant trade assets. Derozan, Ross, and Val would be stupid trade. And the rest of the roster in a trade market is filler.
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They have to fill almost 7 roster spots at season's end. Depending on if they put forth the qualifying offer to Hansbrough. They don't have a single sg apart from Lance Stevenson. West is going to be looking for 12 to 14 million a year (if not more) and the years to end his career. So yes they need to punt Granger stat.
They have 9 players under contract for the next season. Add David West, add their pick. 20 mil under tax. Plenty of room. Paul George is a 2/3, George Hill is a 1/2. It wouldn't be smart to give up Granger and take on the Landry Fields horrible contract.
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This is much better, but i don't like this either, if i'm Indy. Too much salary for a David West's backup.
Bargs behind West and Hibbert would be a good rotation, and as mention, good insurance for West' pending free agency. I don't like it for us thou.
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Bargs behind West and Hibbert would be a good rotation, and as mention, good insurance for West' pending free agency. I don't like it for us thou.
Fine rotation, but a very expensive rotation. If they keep West, they'd end up spending close to 40 mil a year on 3 bigs. Better off keeping Granger on a shorter deal. More flexibility, and they have more minutes for Granger than Bargs, money better spent.
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