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Old 02-19-2014, 06:45 AM   #121 (permalink)
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At least we know that Rondo wasn't interested ... makes thought process leading to trade deadline easier
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Old 02-19-2014, 08:14 AM   #122 (permalink)
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But how significant is that upgrade? Not that much IMO, and the difference might be zero if Rondo has lost any quickness.
The upgrade between Rondo's typical self and Lowry's career year this year is marginal. Of course, Lowry in a contract year might not be the same as Lowry after getting his payday.

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Anyway, I don't think Rondo's agent jumps at an extension with a marginal increase ($500K a year isn't much by NBA standards) right now because Rondo still has another year left on his contract ($13M). Rondo has all the leverage at this time, so I think his agent would advise Rondo to sign an extension only if the deal included substantial increases (10% to 15% at a minimum).

Think about it - if Rondo signed an extension right now at the contract you suggested, he could be leaving millions of dollars on the table. No agent would advise his client to do that unless there was absolute uncertainty about his knee (I would assume that the Celtics and Rondo's team are confident his knee is 100%). Instead, his agent likely would advise Rondo to at least play out the rest of the year to see where he is at health-wise. There's no rush to sign an extension at this time since Rondo has a $13M insurance policy for next year.
Then you are misunderstanding what an extension is. Extensions cannot have big raises.

The point of him signing an extension now is entirely because of his injury history. Maybe he never fully recovers? So the possible ends of the scale are getting a mid-level type deal if he completely falls apart, or maybe getting bumped up to his max (about 17M) if all goes well. So an extension at 13.5M is 3.5M below his best case scenario, except he gets it now, and doesn't risk ending up with a contract that pays him over 4 years what he could extend for now over two years.

Regardless, I stated in my initial post - deal is contingent on him signing extension. If he doesn't want to, you walk away. Why is that confusing?

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This leads to two scenarios. First, if Rondo has lost a step, then maybe his agent begins to negotiate an extension with the Celtics or any team to whom he may get traded. His agent is probably still seeking some sort of increase to his salary - maybe 5% to 10%.

If he hasn't lost a step, then his agent has more leverage. He'll say Rondo will be "only 30" in his new deal and he's an "elite" PG that has fully recovered from his injury. Unlike Derrick Rose, his game doesn't depend on his leaping ability but on facilitating and defence. He'll try to get as much in an extension as possible. If not, then Rondo plays out the season and heads to FA. There's obvious risk with playing the year out, but in all likelihood under this scenario, I would expect Rondo to sign an extension with increases, starting at around $14.5M and $15M.
Again, not possible. Either he signs an extension at the amounts I listed, or he risks playing out another season and a half injury free before hitting free agency.

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As to why Rondo is available, it's likely because Ainge wants to clean house and load up on young players and draft picks. He probably doesn't see Rondo as a long-term building block for the franchise, and he has the most value of any Celtic on the roster. Rondo's knee injury probably is a factor, but I don't think it's THE factor.
If Rondo was healthy all year, that team would be in the playoffs and would be making moves to surround him with additional talent (even after jettisoning the big three). Him being hurt is what drove the tanking direction in the first place. With the assets brought back in the Nets trade, they could easily have reloaded on the fly if they had their star PG healthy.
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Old 02-19-2014, 08:19 AM   #123 (permalink)
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^ One of the most level headed and best comments I've seen on here that contained actual hypothesised knowledge.
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Old 02-19-2014, 10:53 PM   #124 (permalink)
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Yes. Is that a problem?

Also note how we are dumping the salaries of Novak and Hayes and not taking back Felton. This is a really good deal for the Raps.
My last response was not detailed. Yes its a problem and its a terrible trade. Novac is trade-able. Who cares if we lose hayes a year early because its not what we should care about with a plan for cap space 2 years from now, because we still have Fields etc. And Felton is GARBAGE so I would not expect it.

You want to give up 2 picks for a player that at this point might be marginally better than what we have, and for 13 mil a year, and that will never resign. BC.

It amazes me you can advocate tank but want to make this trade for the shortest term gain.

Lots of ifs in your other post about Kl contract year and RR heath. If we are giving up 2 1sts and out best player, it better be for a sure thing.

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Old 02-20-2014, 01:40 AM   #125 (permalink)
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The only way MU trades for Rondo is if we don't give up any first round picks IMO
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:52 AM   #126 (permalink)
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The only way MU trades for Rondo is if we don't give up any first round picks IMO
Maybe....but Rondo is not going anywhere without 1st rounders being involved.
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:23 AM   #127 (permalink)
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My last response was not detailed. Yes its a problem and its a terrible trade. Novac is trade-able. Who cares if we lose hayes a year early because its not what we should care about with a plan for cap space 2 years from now, because we still have Fields etc. And Felton is GARBAGE so I would not expect it.

You want to give up 2 picks for a player that at this point might be marginally better than what we have, and for 13 mil a year, and that will never resign. BC.

It amazes me you can advocate tank but want to make this trade for the shortest term gain.

Lots of ifs in your other post about Kl contract year and RR heath. If we are giving up 2 1sts and out best player, it better be for a sure thing.
So, do you just completely ignore the things people write, or are you just pretending to?

If you'll read my post (and every reply I've posted since) I made it quite clear that my trade proposal depends on Rondo signing an extension.
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Maybe....but Rondo is not going anywhere without 1st rounders being involved.
We would have to involve a 3rd or 4th team. So the chances are slim

I think OKC could get involved if they are thinking championship?

They have 2 first rounders
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Old 02-20-2014, 12:43 PM   #129 (permalink)
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So, do you just completely ignore the things people write, or are you just pretending to?

If you'll read my post (and every reply I've posted since) I made it quite clear that my trade proposal depends on Rondo signing an extension.
And you completely ignored my other points. Maybe ur just pretending ... pot/kettle. And since he won't resign, that's not really a useful point.
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And you completely ignored my other points. Maybe ur just pretending ... pot/kettle. And since he won't resign, that's not really a useful point.
Sorry I didn't refute each of your points, but I didn't level any criticisms of your post that were completely invalidated by your post in the first place. If he won't re-sign, then you have no issues with my suggestion. Right? Since my suggestion would be to not do the deal?

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My last response was not detailed. Yes its a problem and its a terrible trade. Novac is trade-able. Who cares if we lose hayes a year early because its not what we should care about with a plan for cap space 2 years from now, because we still have Fields etc. And Felton is GARBAGE so I would not expect it.
Um, Fields/etc is just Fields. Everyone else not in the core comes off the books. And we could absorb Rondo AND have 10+M in cap space to play with. Nothing to sneeze at.

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Lots of ifs in your other post about Kl contract year and RR heath. If we are giving up 2 1sts and out best player, it better be for a sure thing.
There are a lot of "ifs" in the opposite thinking as well. IF Lowry accepts a decent deal, and IF it is with us, and IF he maintains his performance beyond this contract year, it would not be worth trading to upgrade him.

And "giving up" our best player (expiring) and 2 firsts (likely both late-lotto or worse) will NEVER get you a sure thing star. It may get you a shot at one (young, potential, or recovering from a down year or injury). That's the whole point.
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