Raptors have interest in Chris Copeland?
Old 06-26-2013, 11:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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3PT shooter off the bench? Hmmm

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According to one league source, several other suitors will make pitches for Smith and Copeland. Smith has received early interest from the Detroit Pistons and Phoenix Suns, and Copeland's list includes the Dallas Mavericks, Indiana Pacers, Los Angeles Lakers, New Orleans Pelicans, Oklahoma City Thunder, Toronto Raptors, Utah Jazz and Washington Wizards.

Sources: Milwaukee Bucks want J.R. Smith and Chris Copeland - ESPN New York
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Old 06-27-2013, 12:07 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I like Copeland as a player, but he's not a good fit for this team. We already have too many average to below average swingmen on this team, plus Copeland isnt a good defender. He's a player who would be a great fit for a team like Indiana, or a team on the brink of becoming a perennial contender who needs outside shooting, and scoring off of the bench for 15-20 minutes per game.
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Old 06-27-2013, 12:16 AM   #3 (permalink)
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13 Games started last season:

in 28mpg

16.1ppg/ 4rpg

47 FG%, 43 3PT%

As a starting Center (3 games): 19ppg, 4rpg


Anyone want to bet he gets 7-8mil/yr?

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Old 06-27-2013, 12:25 AM   #4 (permalink)
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13 Games started last season:

in 28mpg

16.1ppg/ 4rpg

47 FG%, 43 3PT%

As a starting Center (3 games): 19ppg, 4rpg


Anyone want to bethe gets 7-8mil/yr?
Comeon Jeff, BC isn't a GM anymore.

Copeland isn't a starter on a good team. He had success in NY in a small sample of games playing C because of their system revolving around 3 point shooting, and obviously having Carmelo attract so much attention, opening up wide open 3's for Copeland.

Copeland would get killed in the long run playing starters minutes for any team. As I said he's a good 3/4 scorer off the bench, but there's no way, with the new cap the way it is, that he gets 7-8 million. I'd bet he won't get over 4 million per season. I think teams are going to get a lot more stingier with players like Copeland, their contracts wont be as long, and they wont be making as much money in free agency. 8th/9th guys on a roster shoudn't be making more than 4 million if your team is built right.
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Comeon Jeff, BC isn't a GM anymore.

Copeland isn't a starter on a good team. He had success in NY playing C because of their system revolving around 3 point shooting, and obviously having Carmelo attract so much attention, opening up wide open 3's for Copeland.

Copeland would get killed in the long run playing starters minutes for any team. As I said he's a good 3/4 scorer off the bench, but there's no way, with the new cap the way it is, that he gets 7-8 million. I'd be he won't get over 4 million per season. I think teams are going to get a lot more stingier with players like Copeland, their contracts wont be as long, and they wont be making as much money in free agency. 8th/9th guys on a roster shoudn't be making more than 4 million if your team is built right.
I'm not saying we'll give him that money, but look at the amount of teams interested (apparently?). I'm telling you, someone will over pay for him. His numbers are impressive, small sample size I know but I still say he gets MORE than the MLE. I could see a 3yr/21mil type of contract.

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8th/9th guys on a roster shoudn't be making more than 4 million if your team is built right.[/

^ Depends on where your team is located. I would say that 20 teams have to over pay to varying degrees and I don't see that changing.

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Old 06-27-2013, 12:27 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Nervermind. BDL already answered.

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I'm not saying we'll give him that money, but look at the amount of teams interested (apparently?). I'm telling you, someone will over pay for him. His numbers are impressive, small sample size I know but I still say he gets MORE than the MLE. I could see a 3yr/21mil type of contract.
No, Jeff. A bunch of teams are interested in him because they probably think they can get a decent shooter for a good price. Cheap role players/specialists are a valuable commodity.

Name teams that would pay that much? A lot of needless posts could be avoided if people actually thought through what they were posting before they hit the submit button. What cap space teams will give Copeland that deal? Think about it.

Edit - okay, so the report lists some cap space teams. Why on earth would Detroit, Dallas, or Phoenix blow all that money on Copeland? It makes no sense to spend over the MLE on this guy.

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Old 06-27-2013, 12:31 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Hmmm, I guess i'm wrong

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Spencer envisions Copeland's value to be in the $3.5 to $5 million range. Spencer compared his client to Steve Novak, who's in about the $4 million range, and said that because Copeland is more versatile offensively as a stretch 4, he'll be an attractive free agent. In fact, a source familiar with Copeland's situation said three teams at this point are interested in negotiating with him come July 1.
Agent: Copeland 'wants to get paid' - Knicks Blog - ESPN New York
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No, Jeff. A bunch of teams are interested in him because they probably think they can get a decent shooter for a good price. Cheap role players/specialists are a valuable commodity.

Name teams that would pay that much? A lot of needless posts could be avoided if people actually thought through what they were posting before they hit the submit button. What cap space teams will give Copeland that deal? Think about it.
Yeah, GM's never over pay. lol
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Old 06-27-2013, 12:38 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Yeah, GM's never over pay. lol
Strawman.

There is a difference between overpaying, on the one hand, and ridiculously overpaying, on the other. What you were suggesting was a ridiculous overpayment that simply would not be necessary. It was a cap killer contract of the most ridiculously variety.

Given Copeland's limited track record, and his lack of rebounding, I think $4 mill per year is overpaying. But I could see it happening, I guess, since Novak got close to that. But that's not $8 mill a year. $8 mill is ridiculous.

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Copeland was compared to Bargnani for a reason.

Good scorer. Can shoot it long range. Not much else.

We need two way players from here on out. When we have a real lineup we can start adding role players.
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Old 06-27-2013, 01:26 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I doubt he gets 5, more like 3.5
he can point all he wants to nowak, that kind of contract is going to be less and less common. And most of the teams interested are having major cap issues and are probably looking to get him for 2 mils or so.
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Old 06-27-2013, 01:53 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Copeland wtf no
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Old 06-27-2013, 01:59 AM   #14 (permalink)
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i guess copeland has potential to max out his DATs (defense, athleticism and three point shot) before starts to head downhill, and therefore the interest. but honestly just trade in the draft and get me some victor oladipo, that dude has tony allen and them some written all over him
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no thanks. this team is already filled with bench and fringe players.
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He's a solid version of Alan Anderson. Certified chucker. Very last thing we need.
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interested in him when BC was here?
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Old 06-27-2013, 08:07 AM   #18 (permalink)
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He's a solid version of Alan Anderson. Certified chucker. Very last thing we need.

Except he shoots 10% higher
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Old 06-27-2013, 08:10 AM   #19 (permalink)
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no thanks. this team is already filled with bench and fringe players.

We need shooters off the bench and he would easily become our best bench scorer. Not saying he's the guy we need to get but at least we're looking for efficient shooters. Our current bench sucks badly.
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Old 06-27-2013, 09:44 AM   #20 (permalink)
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The Knicks trained him as a shooter, but when Melo was out he proved he had a much more versatile game.

It was his first year in the league playing as a backup to Carmelo. He stole Novak's (arguably the best shooter in the NBA) playing time as a rookie and found a way to get playing time on a playoff team where he was never supposed to get playing time. If he was 'just a shooter' or a 'chucker', Steve Novak would have been on the court and Copeland would have been on the bench.

As a rookie who had success despite not having a consistently defined role, there is definitely the possibility he can get better. I think it's likely.

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