Raptors going to offer Marion 3yrs/21Mil?
Old 06-26-2009, 11:11 AM   #1 (permalink)
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TORONTO — From Friday's Globe and Mail, Friday, Jun. 26, 2009 09:29AM EDT

Bryan Colangelo lives for days like yesterday. He’s not in the NBA to protect his retirement or to avoid getting fired. He has twice won the award as NBA executive of the year, and has one of the most famous last names in basketball to soften the fall if it comes to that.

“He loves to make deals,” said one NBA executive who knows the Toronto Raptors’ president and general manager well. “It’s driving him crazy that he’s not doing them.”

For all those times when sports fans complain that the build-up to milestones – trade deadlines or the draft, which took place last night – are more hype than substance, there are days like yesterday when it’s all happening and Colangelo could only watch.

Shaquille O’Neal was traded to the Cleveland Cavaliers before lunch, and Vince Carter was dealt before dinner, sent to the Orlando Magic by the New jersey Nets.

Before that, lowly Washington, poised to welcome back Gilbert Arenas, peddled their No.5 pick to Minnesota for Randy Foye and Mike Miller, two players who will easily fit in the Wizards’ rotation. The Atlanta Hawks added Jamal Crawford, another end-of-the-shot-clock scorer on the perimeter whom the Raptors have struggled to cover. The New York Knicks took a flier on the enigmatic Darko Milicic by trading Quentin Richardson and cash to the Memphis Grizzlies, the kind of low-risk move that could help the Knicks contend at the bottom of the East.

Detroit, with loads of salary-cap room, was busy kicking tires. Boston, an apparent rift developing between the club and point guard Rajon Rondo, was making pitches. The San Antonio Spurs reinvigorated themselves by adding Richard Jefferson in a deal with the Milwaukee Bucks.

The Phoenix Suns all but hung a for-sale sign on Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire.

During all of this, Colangelo could only fiddle, caught between not wanting to gut his team of the quality pieces it does have, and other teams not exactly knocking down doors for Joey Graham, Kris Humphries, Roko Ukic and Nathan Jawai.

Those who talked to Colangelo yesterday say he was working the phones as diligently as ever, and when he briefly emerged from the Raptors’ preparation room shortly before the draft went live in New York, he looked it, his suit unusually wrinkled as if he’d spent the day slumped in a chair, trying to crack a problem on an exam.

Internally they rate last season’s team as capable of playing .500 basketball in the getting tougher Eastern Conference, that’s with Shawn Marion – the biggest domino, Colangelo says – at small forward and Carlos Delfino at shooting guard.

They believe the deal they made this month to acquire bruiser Reggie Evans in exchange for Jason Kapono moves the needle past half full (or empty, depending on where you stand), if only by adding some snarl to a front court long on finesse in the form of Chris Bosh and Andrea Bargnani.

They hope last night’s selection of DeMar DeRozan out of the University of Southern California will upgrade the team’s athleticism.

And if there are those who longed for Colangelo to tear it all up and build from scratch after slipping from 47 to 41 to 33 wins in the past three seasons, easier said than done.

The Raptors weren’t flooded with offers – at least reasonable ones – for Bosh. Trading Bargnani now that he’s showing signs of blossoming seems unlikely. That pair’s volume-shooting ways mean Marion is a good fit alongside them, and a shrinking market means the three years and $21-million (U.S.) the team has budgeted to pay him might just get it done.

Hitting singles may not be the most exciting way to go while big names are flipped like trading cards. Will Colangelo be able to resist taking a rip for the fences?

“There’s a lot of water still to flow under the bridge,” Colangelo said last night.

Stay tuned.
I do not think that would be enough!

BTW, did Grange just pull those numbers out of his ass?
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Old 06-26-2009, 11:15 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't either. I think other teams can offer him that much and maybe even more. I think 9 mil will get him to come back, and if he doesn't want to come back for 9 mil and wants more then that, I'd rather not sign him then
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Old 06-26-2009, 11:19 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I think Grange is off. I believe they are willing to offer him 8-9Mil. They'll start at 7Mil, which i'd say makes sense as a starting point.
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ya, he wont take 7 mill. but, it is a good starting point if they offered him more(let's say 9 mill.) as a starting point and he didn't except we can't go any higher and if he did except it would leave everyone wondering if he could be signed for less.
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It's a pretty fair deal.
But first, I'd take a shot at signing Ariza, Turkoglu or Odom for 7M - maybe a bit more for the last 2
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it has to be $8+ mil a year
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It's a pretty fair deal.
But first, I'd take a shot at signing Ariza, Turkoglu or Odom for 7M - maybe a bit more for the last 2
You would take all of those guys over Marion for the same price? Maybe Odom, maybe.
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It's a pretty fair deal.
But first, I'd take a shot at signing Ariza, Turkoglu or Odom for 7M - maybe a bit more for the last 2
I'd take Marion over every one of those players, with the possible exception of Odom...

Especially @ 7Mil
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There is no way I go over 7. Like I stated earlier, because of the economics of the time, the ball is squarely in the court of the Raptors. If Marion really thinks a team is willing to offer him that much, seeing how he's been mediocre at best since he was traded to Miami and even here, then I'd tell him to take that money and run. He's gonna bank on his previous reputation right now. Look at the teams with cap space and ask yourself, will any of them really make a play for Marion. And if it's a S + T we have to execute with a team over the cap, even better for us.
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cladius why do you have to hate marion so much?
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There is no way I go over 7. Like I stated earlier, because of the economics of the time, the ball is squarely in the court of the Raptors. If Marion really thinks a team is willing to offer him that much, seeing how he's been mediocre at best since he was traded to Miami and even here, then I'd tell him to take that money and run. He's gonna bank on his previous reputation right now. Look at the teams with cap space and ask yourself, will any of them really make a play for Marion. And if it's a S + T we have to execute with a team over the cap, even better for us.
The only good thing about a S&T with Marion would be we have room to take back a larger contract, therefore a team could be willing to unload a good player to save a bit of $$.

In other words S&T Marion at 3yrs/25-27Mil for a 10-11Mil per player. As long as that player isn't overpayed/overrated.

BTW, Marion is worth more then 7Mil
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cladius why do you have to hate marion so much?
he's not hating in teh leats, he's making a smart financial suggestion given the economic climate. it's all about leverage.
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The only good thing about a S&T with Marion would be we have room to take back a larger contract, therefore a team could be willing to unload a good player to save a bit of $$.

In other words S&T Marion at 3yrs/25-27Mil for a 10-11Mil per player. As long as that player isn't overpayed/overrated.

BTW, Marion is worth more then 7Mil
jeff I agree with you that Marion is worth more than 7 million. If this was the offseason of 2008 and not 2009, then I'd argue, sure spend anywhere between 8-10 million. But what do we really have to lose? He really can't go anywhere he wants. I'd be really curious to see which team in the NBA would offer him 9 million let's say. I can't think of a single well run team that would do it.

If Marion really, really thinks he can make more money, then let him find it. But I don't think that contract exists. Even if he does walk, there are cheaper alternatives like a Matt Barnes who could probably be had a 4.5/yr, giving you an additional 3 to bolster the bench or find a back up PG and still leaving you with MLE.

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jeff I agree with you that Marion is worth more than 7 million. If this was the offseason of 2008 and not 2009, then I'd argue, sure spend anywhere between 8-10 million. But what do we really have to lose? He really can't go anywhere he wants. I'd be really curious to see which team in the NBA would offer him 9 million let's say. I can't think of a single well run team that would do it.

If Marion really, really thinks he can make more money, then let him find it. But I don't think that contract exists. Even if he does walk, there are cheaper alternatives like a Matt Barnes who could probably be had a 4.5/yr, giving you an additional 3 to bolster the bench or find a back up PG and still leaving you with MLE.

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I agree but at the same time Marion would rather take 7Mil from a better U.S team then take it to stay in Toronto imo, although a better team might give him a lesser role. I just think he can get 7Mil from other teams....9Mil is a stretch but we'll probably have outbid another team to keep him here so 9Mil will probably be what it'll take. If not for a straight up signing then in a S&T.
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I read somewhere that two possible non-Raptor destinations could be Dallas or Sactown.
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But then ask yourself, who's willing to give that money to Marion?

And secondly, if I go based on Marion's history, there's no way he sees himself (yet) as accepting a lesser role. A big reason why I've never been a fan of the guy is because he's extremely selfish (i.e. what about me; what about my role; I want to get mine etc.)
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I'd laugh hard if Sacramento gave him that money and wish him Bon Voyage. Dallas makes more sense and again, I'd wish him Bon Voyage there. Add another aging piece to an aging team.
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I'd laugh hard if Sacramento gave him that money and wish him Bon Voyage. Dallas makes more sense and again, I'd wish him Bon Voyage there. Add another aging piece to an aging team.
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I'm responding to what Acie said about Sacramento and Dallas apparently being interested.

If he wants to play in Sacramento (a terrible team imo) then go right ahead. If he wants to go to Dallas and be a bit player on a team that's window closed 2 years ago, then go right ahead.
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