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Old 06-02-2011, 06:44 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:59 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

I actually think that Jose + 5th for Flynn + 2nd isn't as far fetched as one might imagine.

At this point Jose > Flynn. Obviously 2nd pick > 5th - so, it makes sense in a way.

The salaries aren't even close, though.

I think that Bayless + 5th for Flynn + 2nd might be doable.

The big plus about Flynn is that he's from Buffalo. And, he's been playing in Minnesota. So the weather won't be a big issue.
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:59 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I was thinking while I was reading the first couple of posts, that Jose doesn't really have a place on this team. With BC repeatedly saying that he wants a defensive minded coach and a better defensive overall team. Jose - for better or worse - is not a defensive player, Bayless is.

With saying that, the Raptors need a back up point guard and an upgrade at smalll forward.

Wouldn't Flynn as the back-up to Bayless fit the bill? also who better to teach Rubio then Jose?

Something like Jose/5th/Kleisa for 2nd(Derrick Williams)/Flynn and something be a the larger trade people are speculating?
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Old 06-02-2011, 07:07 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I was thinking while I was reading the first couple of posts, that Jose doesn't really have a place on this team. With BC repeatedly saying that he wants a defensive minded coach and a better defensive overall team. Jose - for better or worse - is not a defensive player, Bayless is.

With saying that, the Raptors need a back up point guard and an upgrade at smalll forward.

Wouldn't Flynn as the back-up to Bayless fit the bill? also who better to teach Rubio then Jose?

Something like Jose/5th/Kleisa for 2nd(Derrick Williams)/Flynn and something be a the larger trade people are speculating?
The problem about dealing with Minnesota is that their highest paid player makes less than $5 million. Jose makes $9 million. Getting the salaries even close results in some far fetched trade scenarios.

It's more likely that a deal would be structured around Bayless, JJ, Ed or Amir since their salaries are closer to what Minnesota has. A deal involving Jose or Bargnani is hard to see happening.

Also, I don't think anyone is interested in trading for Kleiza at this point.
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trade the 5th for Wes since it looks like they can get Williams at #2
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Old 06-02-2011, 07:13 PM   #26 (permalink)
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What has Flynn proven this season? If we base it off this season then Bayless > Flynn, there is no question about it.
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What has Flynn proven this season? If we base it off this season then Bayless > Flynn, there is no question about it.
Thankfully we don't base things on just one season. And Bayless was extremely inconsistent this season, especially his first 3 months here.
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Old 06-02-2011, 07:18 PM   #28 (permalink)
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What has Flynn proven this season? If we base it off this season then Bayless > Flynn, there is no question about it.
Yeah, I agree. That's why Bayless + 5 for Flynn + 2 makes sense.

Bayless is more of a combo guard. So, he could play either alongside Rubio or back him up.

Bayless could also play as their starting PG if Rubio is a bust.

And, Bayless' numbers from last year were better than Flynn's rookie year. So, he's further along in development.

Also, I think Minnesota would rather stick with Wes rather than take a gamble on Derrick Williams. At the 5 pick they would be looking to draft Valanciunas/Kanter/Biyombo to play alongside Love.

It's definitely a good trade for the Raptors. It doesn't solve their front court problems, though.

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Yeah, I agree. That's why Bayless + 5 for Flynn + 2 makes sense.

Bayless is more of a combo guard. So, he could play either alongside Rubio or back him up.

Bayless could also play as their starting PG if Rubio is a bust.

Also, I think Minnesota would rather stick with Wes rather than take a gamble on Derrick Williams.

It's denfinitely a good trade for the Raptors. It doesn't solve their front court problems, though.
I would do that. We'd still have Bargnani, Jose, Barbosa to deal + TPE, capspace for a signing to address the front court needs.

But

Flynn
Derozan
Williams
Davis
?

Is interesting in theory. Throw a FA Center such as Dalembert or Chandler and we'd start to look pretty good. I seriously don't see us getting this lucky to get the #2 pick in a deal though.
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I would do that. We'd still have Bargnani, Jose, Barbosa to deal + TPE, capspace for a signing to address the front court needs. I seriously don't see us getting this lucky to get the #2 pick in a deal though.

But

Flynn
Derozan
Williams
Davis
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Is interesting in theory. Throw a FA Center such as Dalembert or Chandler and we'd start to look pretty good.
No, I would think Minny would want Williams making Webster/Beasley expendable. Rubio makes Flynn expendable.

Simple, trade Bargs/#5/small part of tpe for Flynn/Webster/Darko. Would easily work.

Raps have Darko/Davis/Webster/DD/Flynn with Ajinca/Alabi, Amir/Evans, JJ, Barbosa, Bayless coming off the bench.

Still leaves JC to trade.

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trade the 5th for Wes since it looks like they can get Williams at #2
Uhm.....Wes is a SG and Williams is a PF that fanices himself a SF...

If Minny gets Williams it would make one of Beasley or Webster free. HEHE maybe BC wants Beasley

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No, I would think Minny would want Williams making Webster/Beasley expendable. Rubio makes Flynn expendable.

Simple, trade Bargs/#5/small part of tpe for Flynn/Webster/Darko. Would easily work.

Raps have Darko/Davis/Webster/DD/Flynn with Ajinca/Alabi, Amir/Evans, JJ, Barbosa, Bayless coming off the bench.
Bayless/Rubio
Wes
Beas
Love
Darko/5 pick

Looks better to me than

Rubio/no one
Wes
Beas/Williams off the bench
Love
Bargs

I don't think that Minnesota wants to place all their confidence in an unproven rookie (Rubio) as a starter. It could blow up in their faces in a big way.

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Also, I don't think that trading Jose at this point is as pressing an issue as some think it is.

BC will stick with Jose. He's not the weak link. SF and C are the bigger issues.

Whether Jose is part of the long term plans or not he's a good stop gap.
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I thought we wanted to make strides and acquire more talented players, not make lateral moves
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That's why the #2 pick has to be involved. Flynn by himself doesn't offer much that the Raptors don't already have.

Of course, Cleveland could draft Derrick Williams and the Bayless trade wouldn't make much sense at that point. The Raptors would end up with Flynn + Irving, as well as Jose. I think that Minny would just draft Irving if Cleveland took Williams.

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Also, I don't think that trading Jose at this point is as pressing an issue as some think it is.

BC will stick with Jose. He's not the weak link.
IMO, after the Center position our biggest problem is PG. One being, we don't have a starting PG. And he's a weak link especially for a team trying to improve defensively.
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IMO, after the Center position our biggest problem is PG. One being, we don't have a starting PG. And he's a weak link especially for a team trying to improve defensively.
JJ is the weak link. He's no where near the talent level of an NBA starter.
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JJ is the weak link. He's no where near the talent level of an NBA starter.
Well i can't argue there, but Jose is our worst defender. Well him and Bargs are the worst take your pick. If this team wants to change and become a better defensive team he has to finally be dealt.
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When Ben Wallace drops his career high on your team, you know where the weak link is defensively.
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When Ben Wallace drops his career high on your team, you know where the weak link is defensively.
Yeah, not as if PG haven't gone off for career highs vs the Raptors or anything.
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