Raptor's Draft Ranking of Players

Scully · 04-19-2011, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The MVP of West Hollywood

My present draft thoughts

1. Irving
2. Williams

Seems like the lock top 2 at this point. Irving is like Ty Lawson if he was 6'2-6'3 - Which is a STUD. Just a complete ballplayer. Williams is Michael Beasley with a head and heart. I think he's more of a PF, but I see 20pts a game at either position.

3. Kanter
4. Knight

Kanter reminds me of Monroe. Legit size, post moves, some shooting range, great skill level and bball IQ. I will always take these types of bigs over the Biyombo, Val 'take him for his C body, teach them how to play later' types.

Knight is like pre draft Demar. Has the it factor in terms of work ethic and character, started out slowly in his freshman year but picked it up. I'm not as concerned about the 'he's a SG' thing as some because at least he played with the ball all year. The SG in a PG's body guys that worry me are the ones who were off ball 3pt guys in college. Anyways I think worst case scenario is he's a Fisher type who hits 3s and defends and is a good teammate which is not a bad thing to have

5. Bismack Biyombo
6. Jan Vesely

Two guys mostly chosen for defensive purposes. Biyombo can play C because wingspan/standing reach matters more than the height of your head and he has as much of that as anyone, so he'll be a shotblocking type. Vesely is a 6'11 super athlete SF, who doesn't have that much offensive upside cause he's 21 and still doesn't have on ball game - but he can hit 3s a little so you turn him into Euro Bruce Bowen

We won't be picking below that.

My STAY AWAY picks:

Jonas Valanciunas: This year's overrated big man project. He's 7'0 with a 7'6 wingspan but that's basically all he has going for him. Skinny, not very athletic, no offensive moves, bad awareness defensively which is why he's one of the biggest foulers in Europe. Classic tall not a basketball player guy. I'm 75% sure this is the draftee who somebody like David Kahn stupidly takes #3-#5, then he comes into the league next year as a 7 foot stiff everyone pushes around, dunks on, and who fouls like Thabeet - then everyone's like "LOL they took this guy over Alec Burks? WTF?"

Kemba Walker: My rule with undersized PGs is if they need contact, stay away. Flynn needed it, he was a physical player in college who used his athleticism and strength to beat up players at the rim. Lawson was ALL skill - shooting, dribbling, change of pace, floaters, etc. Look who ended up better. Kemba will be a backup PG.

Terrence Jones: The bad kind of tweener. Don't have the perimeter skills or footspeed to play SF, at PF he'll be undersized. He has Gerald Walllace skill in Jeff Green's body which is an UGLY combo

I think your critique of Vesely is off, he isn't known for his D, his biggest liability is his ability to D up perimeter. Also Kemba isn't going to playing Point. He going to be a spot shoot playing a lot of 2, depending on the team. Ie. if was to land on team that had point forward he could fit into a Bibby role. He just dosen't have the size to be a legit pg threat who can get to the basket. Trust me those pull up jumpers in transition aren't going to be there for him in the NBA

Scully · 04-19-2011, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MARTYNAS

I know Jan. And how he is Adam Morrison? If you think he is a bust, just say he is a bust, not just throw random bust name, who looks ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE JAN VESELY...
Imagine, taller, faster, more athletic Kirilenko. Absolutely not typical Euro, poor shooter and scorer, but fast, atheletic, oversized defensive beast. He is developing his jumper, can hit 3s now, but still, poor shooter and his FT% is only ~50.
He is 6'11 but fast enought to be SF. Has no offensive skills, but he hustles, can handle the ball, loves to run the floor, always first on the fast breaks and loves posterising people. His nicknames are dunking ninja and Flying Czech. Can be crowd favorite... Raw but not weak.

YouTube - Jan Vesely-Ready for war

YouTube - Jan Vesely- KinG of DunK

If your saying He has a defensive prowess. I will defer to your expertise, being the resident Euro baller. I am just going by what I read and hear, not what I've seen.

MARTYNAS · 04-19-2011, 08:09 PM

I dont know what are you reading, but Jan is best known because of his defense... Thats why people comparing him with T. Prince, A. Kirilenko, J. Jeffries. He can defend everything... He is very tall, athletic and quick, he is nightmare on D. Thats why he is so high in the draft. I mean he is just poor offensive player, has no most moves and just terrible shooter...

Superjudge · 04-19-2011, 08:34 PM

American NBA scouts and Basketball people call this Bismack biyombo kid a straight up reincarnation of Ben Wallace.

Ben Wallace.

Ben Wallace.

I'll take two please, and one that can bring the ball up just lke um!!!!

js12 · 04-19-2011, 08:56 PM

Biyambo has nice defensive abilities.

I wouldn't take him with a top 6 pick though. Wouldn't mind a trade for this guy.

Scully · 04-19-2011, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MARTYNAS

I dont know what are you reading, but Jan is best known because of his defense... Thats why people comparing him with T. Prince, A. Kirilenko, J. Jeffries. He can defend everything... He is very tall, athletic and quick, he is nightmare on D. Thats why he is so high in the draft. I mean he is just poor offensive player, has no most moves and just terrible shooter...

What I have read is mostly critical of his foot speed and his strength saying he may not be quick enough to be a perimeter defender and not strong enough to be a post defender.

Superjudge · 04-19-2011, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by js12

Biyambo has nice defensive abilities.

I wouldn't take him with a top 6 pick though. Wouldn't mind a trade for this guy.

Ya, I'm already over him.

hahahaha

fk24 · 04-19-2011, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by js12

Biyambo has nice defensive abilities.

I wouldn't take him with a top 6 pick though. Wouldn't mind a trade for this guy.

Who would you take? Motiejunas? How about Kemba Walker? Theres nothing good after the top 2. I'd take Biyombo over Valanciunas or Vesley.

finstock · 04-20-2011, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Scully

What I have read is mostly critical of his foot speed and his strength saying he may not be quick enough to be a perimeter defender and not strong enough to be a post defender.

That's exactly what I've been reading as well. Also, DX mentions that opposing teams specifically game plan to attack him, and he averages 1 defensive board every 10 minutes. Nevertheless, I'll reserve judgement, and just hope our scouting staff does their due diligence on this kid.

Shifty.py · 04-20-2011, 03:53 AM

IMO Vesely has no future in NBA at SF. He will have to bulk up and play PF.

MARTYNAS · 04-20-2011, 06:42 AM

I dont know why people saying Jan cant be SF... He is not slow, there is tons slower SFs, the same Kirilenko is much more clumsy. People just saying that because he is 6'11?
I dont know, I think Williams is question mark, but not Jan.

archie63 · 04-20-2011, 06:49 AM

Imo Jan is no slow at all and jump so high....impressive

RAPMAN · 04-20-2011, 01:19 PM

Three Kentucky players join draft:

Knight, Williams, and Liggins

Brandon Knight among three from Kentucky Wildcats declaring for NBA draft - ESPN

DocHoliday99 · 04-20-2011, 07:14 PM

Just my 2 cents but if you get a chance to get Irving have to take him. But then again probably stating the obvious here. Regarding Williams....tweeners always concern me however a versatile forward can be a good thing. I'm certainly not a draft expert however looking at the mocks and some vids of players, prospects after pick 2 seem to be quite varied and more on team needs. If the Raps aren't lucky and don't land 1 or 2 I think there are a number of good pg's that can be had, though a trade down might be the order for the day and get a 2 for 1.

On the Euros, maybe I'm wrong but as great as the Euro players can be in Europe, players usually don't transition well into the NBA game. Euros seem to have trouble adjusting to the physicality of the league. I believe there are more players that wash out here than make it - especially the last several years. Take Bargs...I agreed with the pick at the time however watching him shy away from hard contact in the post is hard to watch. I thought he might be Dirk-lite but Dirk will fight hard whereas Bargs doesn't. It's been long enough and I'm not sure a big bruising center to pair with him is the answer either. I do like the idea though of Davis at PF and bringing in a center. I'd rather see 2 guys in the paint/3 on the perimeter than 4 on the perimeter/1 in the paint (and not our PF certainly).

If we land Irving...
Irving/DD/Kleiza/Davis/? would be a great back court and depending on who we get at center, possibly decent frontcourt - too bad we didn't get Chandler. I would trade Bargs and whoever or cap space for a really good C. If our pick is after the 2, then I would seriously consider going after Knight. Great player and we could trade down and nab him and a C.

If we land Williams
?/DD/Kleiza/Davis/? I would really consider trading Williams and Bargs to fill the pg and c. I'm not really sold on Williams as a SF and I really like Davis at PF.

(or a pick after 2) Knight
Knight/DD/Kleiza/Davis/C I like the athletic ability of this backcourt though obviously not as much as with Irving but Knight is no slouch either.

The slashing of the backcourt (either Knight or Irving) with Kleiza stretching the defense is exciting to me. Having 2 defensive players in the paint in Davis and whomever is IMHO what the Raps need.

Either way we go in the draft, having Bayless/JJ/Wright/Dorsey/Amir coming off the bench is pretty nice depth to me.

Just some thoughts. I'm sure it will change closer to the draft.

MARTYNAS · 04-20-2011, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday99

On the Euros, maybe I'm wrong but as great as the Euro players can be in Europe, players usually don't transition well into the NBA game.

Which Euro prospect is great in Europe? It's all opposite you just said. No scout look at their minutes or numbers anymore, because its just different game. They jsut care how good player can be in the NBA... Valanciunas averaging 15 minutes per game, Vesely is key player, but not a leader in shitty EL team, Donatas not even in Euroleague... Ironic, but the most successful and the best looking Euro is Bojan Bogdanovic. He is great European style of player, but hes just a late first/early second rounder in NBA draft...

DocHoliday99 · 04-20-2011, 10:14 PM

No no dont take it out of context...we're saying the same thing I just said it with a broader stroke is all. I don't envy scouts trying to make that call as all they have to go by is watching players play the game. How they transition is a crap shoot.

I used to post a lot on scout and have been lurking here for awhile and I definitely respect yours and a lot of posters insight.

Cheers

AznRayD · 04-21-2011, 11:23 AM

Brandon Knight, Terrence Jones declared for draft

UK Athletics

powerfulpanda · 04-21-2011, 12:01 PM

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RaptorsandBuckeye FaN · 04-21-2011, 09:54 PM

Texas Thompson to enter draft

Sources: Horns' Thompson leaving to enter NBA

Quote:

Tristan Thompson, a relentless offensive rebounder and shot-blocker for the Longhorns last season and viewed as a potential All-American candidate for next year, has decided to not return to Texas and instead will make himself eligible for the NBA draft, a source close to his family said.

The source spoke with Thompson this week. Also, one NBA scout familiar with Thompson's situation has said the freshman forward would leave school.

Thompson will be the third Longhorns freshman to leave for the NBA in five seasons, joining Kevin Durant (2007) and Avery Bradley (2010).

The NBA deadline for college underclassmen to submit their names for the draft is Sunday. The NCAA allows players to remove their names from the draft by May 8 and still retain their college eligibility providing they have not signed with an agent.

At the Longhorns' annual banquet last Thursday, Thompson said that if he did decide to enter the draft, it would be with an agent.

Thompson has not yet formally announced his decision. A team spokesman said Thursday that Thompson still is attending classes.

He may not be the only Longhorn leaving; sophomore Jordan Hamilton — who led Texas in scoring this season — also is deliberating between coming back to Texas or going pro.

JoeyJoJo Shabbadu · 04-22-2011, 02:20 PM

Ummmm ... when was the last time a team "traded down" in the draft from top 3 spot? Serious question

04-20-2011, 07:14 PM	#174 (permalink)
DocHoliday99 hates pounding the rock! Membres supérieurs Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 5,728 Representing:	Just my 2 cents but if you get a chance to get Irving have to take him. But then again probably stating the obvious here. Regarding Williams....tweeners always concern me however a versatile forward can be a good thing. I'm certainly not a draft expert however looking at the mocks and some vids of players, prospects after pick 2 seem to be quite varied and more on team needs. If the Raps aren't lucky and don't land 1 or 2 I think there are a number of good pg's that can be had, though a trade down might be the order for the day and get a 2 for 1. On the Euros, maybe I'm wrong but as great as the Euro players can be in Europe, players usually don't transition well into the NBA game. Euros seem to have trouble adjusting to the physicality of the league. I believe there are more players that wash out here than make it - especially the last several years. Take Bargs...I agreed with the pick at the time however watching him shy away from hard contact in the post is hard to watch. I thought he might be Dirk-lite but Dirk will fight hard whereas Bargs doesn't. It's been long enough and I'm not sure a big bruising center to pair with him is the answer either. I do like the idea though of Davis at PF and bringing in a center. I'd rather see 2 guys in the paint/3 on the perimeter than 4 on the perimeter/1 in the paint (and not our PF certainly). If we land Irving... Irving/DD/Kleiza/Davis/? would be a great back court and depending on who we get at center, possibly decent frontcourt - too bad we didn't get Chandler. I would trade Bargs and whoever or cap space for a really good C. If our pick is after the 2, then I would seriously consider going after Knight. Great player and we could trade down and nab him and a C. If we land Williams ?/DD/Kleiza/Davis/? I would really consider trading Williams and Bargs to fill the pg and c. I'm not really sold on Williams as a SF and I really like Davis at PF. (or a pick after 2) Knight Knight/DD/Kleiza/Davis/C I like the athletic ability of this backcourt though obviously not as much as with Irving but Knight is no slouch either. The slashing of the backcourt (either Knight or Irving) with Kleiza stretching the defense is exciting to me. Having 2 defensive players in the paint in Davis and whomever is IMHO what the Raps need. Either way we go in the draft, having Bayless/JJ/Wright/Dorsey/Amir coming off the bench is pretty nice depth to me. Just some thoughts. I'm sure it will change closer to the draft. Last edited by DocHoliday99; 04-20-2011 at 07:16 PM.

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04-19-2011, 08:09 PM	#163 (permalink)
MARTYNAS some creepy guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: far far away Posts: 1,441 Representing:	I dont know what are you reading, but Jan is best known because of his defense... Thats why people comparing him with T. Prince, A. Kirilenko, J. Jeffries. He can defend everything... He is very tall, athletic and quick, he is nightmare on D. Thats why he is so high in the draft. I mean he is just poor offensive player, has no most moves and just terrible shooter...

04-19-2011, 08:34 PM	#164 (permalink)
Superjudge is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 17,371 Representing:	American NBA scouts and Basketball people call this Bismack biyombo kid a straight up reincarnation of Ben Wallace. Ben Wallace. Ben Wallace. I'll take two please, and one that can bring the ball up just lke um!!!!

04-19-2011, 08:56 PM	#165 (permalink)
js12 #NorthernUprising 6 Man Like Lou Will Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: T.O. Posts: 5,629 Representing:	Biyambo has nice defensive abilities. I wouldn't take him with a top 6 pick though. Wouldn't mind a trade for this guy.

04-20-2011, 03:53 AM	#170 (permalink)
Shifty.py Kill Casey FTMFW Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,763 Representing:	IMO Vesely has no future in NBA at SF. He will have to bulk up and play PF.

04-20-2011, 06:42 AM	#171 (permalink)
MARTYNAS some creepy guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: far far away Posts: 1,441 Representing:	I dont know why people saying Jan cant be SF... He is not slow, there is tons slower SFs, the same Kirilenko is much more clumsy. People just saying that because he is 6'11? I dont know, I think Williams is question mark, but not Jan.

04-20-2011, 06:49 AM	#172 (permalink)
archie63 far away Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Panama City Posts: 975 Representing:	Imo Jan is no slow at all and jump so high....impressive

04-20-2011, 01:19 PM	#173 (permalink)
RAPMAN is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,816 Representing:	Three Kentucky players join draft: Knight, Williams, and Liggins Brandon Knight among three from Kentucky Wildcats declaring for NBA draft - ESPN

04-20-2011, 10:14 PM	#176 (permalink)
DocHoliday99 hates pounding the rock! Membres supérieurs Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 5,728 Representing:	No no dont take it out of context...we're saying the same thing I just said it with a broader stroke is all. I don't envy scouts trying to make that call as all they have to go by is watching players play the game. How they transition is a crap shoot. I used to post a lot on scout and have been lurking here for awhile and I definitely respect yours and a lot of posters insight. Cheers

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JoeyJoJo Shabbadu payin Dwyane Wade Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 6,321 Representing:	Ummmm ... when was the last time a team "traded down" in the draft from top 3 spot? Serious question