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Old 04-17-2011, 10:56 PM   #141 (permalink)
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haha no problems man.

Agree with you on Burks. I like his game.
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Old 04-18-2011, 02:35 AM   #142 (permalink)
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2011 NBA Draft Early Entrants | NBADraft.net

NBAdraft.net is saying that he is most likely to enter the draft, and why wouldn't he? This class is so weak he might as well take that chance.
Top 3 picks are interchangeable. I mean we can either land Irving/Williams/and Kanter. Does anyone know what position Minny needs to upgrade? I know for Cleveland their aim is Williams and for us, well there's a lot of options.
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Old 04-18-2011, 08:23 AM   #143 (permalink)
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Top 3 picks are interchangeable. I mean we can either land Irving/Williams/and Kanter. Does anyone know what position Minny needs to upgrade? I know for Cleveland their aim is Williams and for us, well there's a lot of options.
Minny does have Rubio (PG), Love (PF) and just drafted Wes Johnson (SF)
but they could always trade Rubio (likely) and take Irving
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Old 04-18-2011, 08:48 AM   #144 (permalink)
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Kyrie Irving
Derrick Williams
Harrison Barnes
Kemba Walker
Brandon Knight
Enes Kanter Jonas Valanciunas
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Old 04-18-2011, 09:44 AM   #145 (permalink)
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but don't forget.. just because a team finishes worst in the league that does not gurantee them first pick..

I say Cleveland gets first pick, and Raptors get second, with Miny taking third pick

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Old 04-18-2011, 10:21 AM   #146 (permalink)
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Hmm, drafting a SF wouldnt be a smart move.

We already have one in James Johnson and could easily get a cheap one.
I want Terrence Williams from Houston. He'd be a great fit with DD and the Young ones. Plus Houston istnt high on him.

Draft Irving or Walker (irving would be the better option for sure) get us T.Williams and bring JJ from the bench.

That would be an awesome line-up!
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:38 AM   #147 (permalink)
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It has been just announced Harrison Barnes will be RETURNING TO UNC next year.

UNC star Barnes returning to school for sophomore season | NBA.com
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:40 AM   #148 (permalink)
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Raps better land a top 2 pick. Harrison Barnes has officially announced he will returning back to college.

Harrison Barnes To Return To UNC For Sophomore Season - NORTH CAROLINA OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE
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Old 04-18-2011, 11:06 AM   #149 (permalink)
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Let's just tank next season as well. Figures, the season we get a top pick since Drea...Let's tank and get Austin Rivers!
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Old 04-18-2011, 01:05 PM   #150 (permalink)
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I want Derrick Williams..
I am not worried about him playing SF..
I think he will flourish in the NBA.. guys of his size are used to play big in college, but in the NBA he can expand his game instead of playing post most of the time..
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Old 04-19-2011, 02:12 PM   #151 (permalink)
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My present draft thoughts

1. Irving
2. Williams

Seems like the lock top 2 at this point. Irving is like Ty Lawson if he was 6'2-6'3 - Which is a STUD. Just a complete ballplayer. Williams is Michael Beasley with a head and heart. I think he's more of a PF, but I see 20pts a game at either position.

3. Kanter
4. Knight

Kanter reminds me of Monroe. Legit size, post moves, some shooting range, great skill level and bball IQ. I will always take these types of bigs over the Biyombo, Val 'take him for his C body, teach them how to play later' types.

Knight is like pre draft Demar. Has the it factor in terms of work ethic and character, started out slowly in his freshman year but picked it up. I'm not as concerned about the 'he's a SG' thing as some because at least he played with the ball all year. The SG in a PG's body guys that worry me are the ones who were off ball 3pt guys in college. Anyways I think worst case scenario is he's a Fisher type who hits 3s and defends and is a good teammate which is not a bad thing to have

5. Bismack Biyombo
6. Jan Vesely

Two guys mostly chosen for defensive purposes. Biyombo can play C because wingspan/standing reach matters more than the height of your head and he has as much of that as anyone, so he'll be a shotblocking type. Vesely is a 6'11 super athlete SF, who doesn't have that much offensive upside cause he's 21 and still doesn't have on ball game - but he can hit 3s a little so you turn him into Euro Bruce Bowen

We won't be picking below that.

My STAY AWAY picks:

Jonas Valanciunas: This year's overrated big man project. He's 7'0 with a 7'6 wingspan but that's basically all he has going for him. Skinny, not very athletic, no offensive moves, bad awareness defensively which is why he's one of the biggest foulers in Europe. Classic tall not a basketball player guy. I'm 75% sure this is the draftee who somebody like David Kahn stupidly takes #3-#5, then he comes into the league next year as a 7 foot stiff everyone pushes around, dunks on, and who fouls like Thabeet - then everyone's like "LOL they took this guy over Alec Burks? WTF?"

Kemba Walker: My rule with undersized PGs is if they need contact, stay away. Flynn needed it, he was a physical player in college who used his athleticism and strength to beat up players at the rim. Lawson was ALL skill - shooting, dribbling, change of pace, floaters, etc. Look who ended up better. Kemba will be a backup PG.

Terrence Jones: The bad kind of tweener. Don't have the perimeter skills or footspeed to play SF, at PF he'll be undersized. He has Gerald Walllace skill in Jeff Green's body which is an UGLY combo
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My present draft thoughts

1. Irving
2. Williams

Seems like the lock top 2 at this point. Irving is like Ty Lawson if he was 6'2-6'3 - Which is a STUD. Just a complete ballplayer. Williams is Michael Beasley with a head and heart. I think he's more of a PF, but I see 20pts a game at either position.

3. Kanter
4. Knight

Kanter reminds me of Monroe. Legit size, post moves, some shooting range, great skill level and bball IQ. I will always take these types of bigs over the Biyombo, Val 'take him for his C body, teach them how to play later' types.

Knight is like pre draft Demar. Has the it factor in terms of work ethic and character, started out slowly in his freshman year but picked it up. I'm not as concerned about the 'he's a SG' thing as some because at least he played with the ball all year. The SG in a PG's body guys that worry me are the ones who were off ball 3pt guys in college. Anyways I think worst case scenario is he's a Fisher type who hits 3s and defends and is a good teammate which is not a bad thing to have

5. Bismack Biyombo
6. Jan Vesely

Two guys mostly chosen for defensive purposes. Biyombo can play C because wingspan/standing reach matters more than the height of your head and he has as much of that as anyone, so he'll be a shotblocking type. Vesely is a 6'11 super athlete SF, who doesn't have that much offensive upside cause he's 21 and still doesn't have on ball game - but he can hit 3s a little so you turn him into Euro Bruce Bowen

We won't be picking below that.

My STAY AWAY picks:

Jonas Valanciunas: This year's overrated big man project. He's 7'0 with a 7'6 wingspan but that's basically all he has going for him. Skinny, not very athletic, no offensive moves, bad awareness defensively which is why he's one of the biggest foulers in Europe. Classic tall not a basketball player guy. I'm 75% sure this is the draftee who somebody like David Kahn stupidly takes #3-#5, then he comes into the league next year as a 7 foot stiff everyone pushes around, dunks on, and who fouls like Thabeet - then everyone's like "LOL they took this guy over Alec Burks? WTF?"

Kemba Walker: My rule with undersized PGs is if they need contact, stay away. Flynn needed it, he was a physical player in college who used his athleticism and strength to beat up players at the rim. Lawson was ALL skill - shooting, dribbling, change of pace, floaters, etc. Look who ended up better. Kemba will be a backup PG.

Terrence Jones: The bad kind of tweener. Don't have the perimeter skills or footspeed to play SF, at PF he'll be undersized. He has Gerald Walllace skill in Jeff Green's body which is an UGLY combo
The analysis on Kemba Walker is bit harsh. From an article of ESPN, they writers rated him as one of the quickest and best dribbling abilities amongst NCAA guards. He is a bit of volume shooter, but writers say that UCONN did not have enough weapons surronding Walker. The kid can get anywhere where he wants on the floor, and people have to respect his outside shot. If were outside the Top 2 pick, BC will to evaluate if he is the next Ty Lawson or the next Nate Robinson.

I think Knight can be the next Jason Terry. You'll need a great shooting guard who can handle the ball (Brandon Roy, Wade) because Knight is a scorer and has a high turnover rate when handling the ball.

Boy, I wish we land in the Top 2 because the real draft starts at No. 3.
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Old 04-19-2011, 05:52 PM   #153 (permalink)
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I think Kanter is more likely to be a dud than Valanciunas. Mostly because of his knees and that he never played against a strong opponent. Dominating under 18 doesn't count.

But Valanciunas has played in Euroleague against real men. Developing nicely and in 3 years he'll be one of the top centres
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I think Kanter is more likely to be a dud than Valanciunas. Mostly because of his knees and that he never played against a strong opponent. Dominating under 18 doesn't count.

But Valanciunas has played in Euroleague against real men. Developing nicely and in 3 years he'll be one of the top centres
34points 13rebounds in the Nike Hoop Summit(2010) against the best players that year(Jared Sullinger, Harrison Barnes, Kyrie Irving, Terrenence Jones, etc on the other team) was impressive. Only time I actually watch Kanter played since he didn't get in Kentucky.

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Kanter has had injury problems and hasn't played much since that video. He could become the Euro Oden.

His post game is very good for someone his age, though. He is definitely a solid prospect. Very talented, but I'm not sure if his focus is in the right areas for him to become an NBA starter at C.

He played an outstanding game at the Nike Hoops Summit, but his consistency has been a problem throughout his career.

If the Raptors picked Kanter I would have my reservations. He seems to have more potential than Valanciunas to be a bust. (focus, consistency, injuries are all causes for concern).

If he has made the most of his time off the court and he can impress in the workouts then that might change my mind.
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Maybe not the best place to ask this, but do you know what happened to Milan Macvan? He is only 21, already Maccabi and Serbia national team member, destroyed Cousins 2 years ago in Nike hoop summit (23/14/6).
Did he was drafted? It looks not, I dont remember... He is clearly not NBA style of player, but still... Nothing about him? it looks he is not even exist...
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I dont know, Kanter is more NBA ready I thing, so he less possible a bust. Jonas is a project but he also has higher ceiling.

Talking about top 3 Euro bigs

Potential - 1. Donatas 2. Jonas. 3 Enes
Potential bust - 1. Donatas 2. Jonas 3. Enes
Strength - 1. Enes 2/3 Jonas, Donatas
Offense - 1. Donatas 2. Enes 3. Jonas
Defense - 1. Enes 2. Jonas 3. Donatas
NBA ready - 1. Enes 2. Donatas 3. Jonas
Work-ethic - 1. Donatas 2/3 Enes, Jonas
Strong persona - 1. Donatas 2. Enes 3. Jonas
All-around skills - 1. Donatas 2. Enes 3. Jonas
Unselfishness - 1/2. Enes, Jonas 3. Donatas
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Jan Vesely is really flying under the radar. Hoopshype has us taking him at 3rd over all behind Williams, and Irving. I have been hearing tons of good things about his offensive aggressiveness. He has great length, they are comparing his game to T-mac. Still the same old Euro mold all offense, no body, no defense.
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Jan Vesely is really flying under the radar. Hoopshype has us taking him at 3rd over all behind Williams, and Irving. I have been hearing tons of good things about his offensive aggressiveness. He has great length, they are comparing his game to T-mac. Still the same old Euro mold all offense, no body, no defense.
I want nothing to do with Jan Vesely, he is the next Adam Morrison.
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I know Jan. And how he is Adam Morrison? If you think he is a bust, just say he is a bust, not just throw random bust name, who looks ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE JAN VESELY...
Imagine, taller, faster, more athletic Kirilenko. Absolutely not typical Euro, poor shooter and scorer, but fast, atheletic, oversized defensive beast. He is developing his jumper, can hit 3s now, but still, poor shooter and his FT% is only ~50.
He is 6'11 but fast enought to be SF. Has no offensive skills, but he hustles, can handle the ball, loves to run the floor, always first on the fast breaks and loves posterising people. His nicknames are dunking ninja and Flying Czech. Can be crowd favorite... Raw but not weak.



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