Raptors Defence Deficiencies on video
Old 11-30-2009, 10:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I don't know if any of you have seen this but here are Raptors lack of effort on video, just for sake of interest:






I never really notice specific players screwing up but after watching these...
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Old 11-30-2009, 10:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Yup that looks accurate, I'm seeing things on this video that RF member an my self can all agree on No EFFORT hurts to watch this. Sad
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Old 11-30-2009, 10:36 PM   #3 (permalink)
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That first clip Wallace for sure stepped out of bounds during the time he caught the pass LOL

We all know are defence is bad...At this point the players are at fault big time!!

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Old 11-30-2009, 10:53 PM   #4 (permalink)
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That first clip is poorly analyzed.

Turkoglu rotated to the wide open man that Bargnani left. Bosh and someone else should of had baseline covered.

So much bad defense, and these goofs don't even analyze the clips correctly. Even after he watched the play "ten times". "i sure don't know"; clearly.

Maybe the other ones are better.

"leaving your man part 1". Belli took away a layup. He made a decision, he gave good help and it was needed. The poor defense was the on-ball defense on the blow-by.

"leaving your man part 2" accurate analysis

"How not to defend the high screen"
Accurate on this as well, Raptors concede the switch far to often.

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Old 11-30-2009, 10:58 PM   #5 (permalink)
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i think it's a screen but i'm not really sure if it's a screen, but tyson is kinda sort setting a screen on hedo, wait wait maybe it's not a screen. okay okay, i'm gonna call it a screen so i can call it something. btw what's a screen?
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Old 11-30-2009, 11:32 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Video 1: Bargnani comes to half-double. He isnt taking away the middle or the baseline for the help. So turk has to go cover Barg's man while both of them are wandering in no mans land.

Video on Bargnani's rebounding... EXACLTLY!! Someone post that video on the front of the Raptor's forum. Seriously, what the hell is he doing? I know it's just a few plays that he's showing... but it happens so often!
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clip 1-Don't leave Diaw open. not Turk's fault.
clip 2-Friggen Bargnani..
clip 3-Why help on Earl Watson..?
clip 4-Eh..Stupid Bargnani.
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:30 AM   #8 (permalink)
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This guy is spot on with this stuff you'd have to be mentally unsound to disagree...but then again we are dealing with Raptors fans.
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:40 AM   #9 (permalink)
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That first clip is poorly analyzed.

Turkoglu rotated to the wide open man that Bargnani left.
I'm sorry but Turk is at fault he was no were near Bargs man, if they would've swung the ball uptop it would been an uncontested 3. You don't need a degree to see Turk is at fault on the play
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Old 12-01-2009, 01:26 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Excellent analysis.. maybe the Raptors need to watch this.

I'm not sure what made me want to vomit more, the Turkoglu switch or the Bargnani non-boxout.

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I'm sorry but Turk is at fault he was no were near Bargs man, if they would've swung the ball uptop it would been an uncontested 3. You don't need a degree to see Turk is at fault on the play
That's exactly what Turkoglu was trying to prevent. You can see that he "drifts" over on the fake to the man on the perimeter. He was reacting to what needed to be covered. It's easy to put blame on Turkoglu, but entirely incorrect. It's the same thing that leads people to believe that Bosh is a shitty defender. You can't guard three people at once.

The biggest problem is that guys are reacting or not reacting to stuff that should never be needed to be reacted to in the first place.

With the switches - it's what seems to be called for by the coaching staff, and it can be a good approach if you're not dealing with Dwight Howard. I think it points to how inflexible the team is from a coaching standpoint.
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With the switches - it's what seems to be called for by the coaching staff, and it can be a good approach if you're not dealing with Dwight Howard. I think it points to how inflexible the team is from a coaching standpoint.
Yes, and this may point to what the 3rd quarter issues are. An inability to adjust or make changes at the half and teams figuring us out and exploiting us. The opposing teams make the necessary adjustments and we pretty much don't adjust to anything because it's usually close at the half and that seems to be good enough for them.
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Yes, and this may point to what the 3rd quarter issues are. An inability to adjust or make changes at the half and teams figuring us out and exploiting us. The opposing teams make the necessary adjustments and we pretty much don't adjust to anything because it's usually close at the half and that seems to be good enough for them.
Yep - good point. In the past it's been a matter of only being able to change things up so much. The talent level was not there. Now there is just no desire to hold anybody accountable or to change the rotation to make things workable when they have some assets they can go to. It's like the chance of using Bosh for 40 minutes in a single game is going to unleash all hell - there's just no way it can be done.
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that hurts to watch, seriously.
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That's exactly what Turkoglu was trying to prevent. You can see that he "drifts" over on the fake to the man on the perimeter. He was reacting to what needed to be covered. It's easy to put blame on Turkoglu, but entirely incorrect. It's the same thing that leads people to believe that Bosh is a shitty defender. You can't guard three people at once.

The biggest problem is that guys are reacting or not reacting to stuff that should never be needed to be reacted to in the first place.

With the switches - it's what seems to be called for by the coaching staff, and it can be a good approach if you're not dealing with Dwight Howard. I think it points to how inflexible the team is from a coaching standpoint.
So it's okay with you that Turk left Gerald Wallace who went on to drop 31. For Bargnani's man....?
There's no more Smitch Bargs isn't playing Small Forward.
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I'm pretty sure Jose has done worse than all of them combined
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I'm sorry but Turk is at fault he was no were near Bargs man, if they would've swung the ball uptop it would been an uncontested 3. You don't need a degree to see Turk is at fault on the play
Clearly you lack an understanding of basic defensive principles. I could elaborate, but what's the point, you're clueless.

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Meh.

I watched the first video.... didn't bother with the rest.

Confusion and uncertainty can be attributed to a lot of what I see with toronto on defence, HOWEVER, the thing is this, effort and intensity on every ball possesion would make this team look really good.

It simply isn't there.

I thought 20 games in they would have figured it out, but, it seems it was all lip service from these guys in camp about how much hard work and effort they were gonna be puttin gin on the floor.

Back to the first video... Hedo did everything right, he just did it so half assed and lazily that it made it all 100% useless.

Bosh could have cut that spot on the floor off on Wallace too, it just would have hurt.

meh.

Team is soft.
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Old 12-01-2009, 10:13 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Really what that first clip comes down to, is communication. As SJ just said, Bosh had baseline, he was just unaware that Hedo rotated. No talking.
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Old 12-01-2009, 10:15 AM   #20 (permalink)
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gotta talk.

but talk comes from the positive vibes of intensity and unity.

this team has none.

see the "oh my lord" thread.
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