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Old 07-06-2012, 04:22 PM   #81 (permalink)
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I'm reposting this cleaner without all the with/without Bayless, now that he is unrestricted. I'll assume the Raps have waived his rights as well as rescinding the QO.

Jose Calderon $10,561,982
Andrea Bargnani $10,000,000
Landry Fields: $6,333,333 (assumed 19M total)
Amir Johnson $6,050,000
Kyle Lowry $5,750,000
Linas Kleiza $4,600,000
DeMar DeRozan $3,344,250
Jonas Valanciunas: $2,812,200
James Johnson $2,812,006
Ed Davis $2,207,040
Terrence Ross $2,136,100
Sonny Weems $1,059,389 cap hold/QO
13th spot (Quincy Acy)

Total: $57,666,300 - 0.3M cap space

Salary Cap: $58 million
Tax Threshold: $70 million

Amnesty candidates and resultant cap space:
Jose: 10.4M
Amir: 5.9M
Kleiza: 4.5M

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Old 07-06-2012, 04:26 PM   #82 (permalink)
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I wonder what they are cooking up in the War room right now, they don't make ANY move that will tip anything off unless they are about to make a move..

Interesting
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Old 07-06-2012, 04:30 PM   #83 (permalink)
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I'm reposting this cleaner without all the with/without Bayless, now that he is unrestricted. I'll assume the Raps have waived his rights as well as rescinding the QO.

Jose Calderon $10,561,982
Andrea Bargnani $10,000,000
Landry Fields: $6,333,333 (assumed 19M total)
Amir Johnson $6,050,000
Kyle Lowry $5,750,000
Linas Kleiza $4,600,000
DeMar DeRozan $3,344,250
Jonas Valanciunas: $2,812,200
James Johnson $2,812,006
Ed Davis $2,207,040
Terrence Ross $2,136,100
Sonny Weems $1,059,389 cap hold/QO
13th spot (Quincy Acy)

Total: $57,666,300 - 0.3M cap space

Salary Cap: $58 million
Tax Threshold: $70 million

Amnesty candidates and resultant cap space:
Jose: 10.9M
Amir: 6.4M
Kleiza: 4.9M
trade jose, DD, Ed for SF.
amnesty amir or kleiza, still got room for back-up PG.

is that realistic?
i still want that iggy and vucevic trade to be real!
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Old 07-06-2012, 04:31 PM   #84 (permalink)
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We have no cap space
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Old 07-06-2012, 05:05 PM   #85 (permalink)
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WAIT dont we have around 7 mill in cap space? would the barbosa TPE not take up lowry contract, a lot of people are saying we have 7 mill in space
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WAIT dont we have around 7 mill in cap space? would the barbosa TPE not take up lowry contract, a lot of people are saying we have 7 mill in space
Nope. First, you can't have cap space and a TPE. Second, your cap space is determined entirely by the contracts on your roster - whether you absorb Lowry into cap space or into a TPE, he still takes up room on the team's salary cap.

We have 7 million in cap space until Landry Fields is signed. Then we have pretty much none.
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If we amnesty Jose then we could take back more salary in a trade...
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Nope. First, you can't have cap space and a TPE. Second, your cap space is determined entirely by the contracts on your roster - whether you absorb Lowry into cap space or into a TPE, he still takes up room on the team's salary cap.

We have 7 million in cap space until Landry Fields is signed. Then we have pretty much none.
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If we amnesty Jose then we could take back more salary in a trade...
True. Of course, then we can't trade Jose. Depends what's out there.

Of course, if we amnesty Jose, we'd have over 10M in cap space - could be players in free agency still.
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True. Of course, then we can't trade Jose. Depends what's out there.

Of course, if we amnesty Jose, we'd have over 10M in cap space - could be players in free agency still.
cap space is better used not in fa: RE: Kapono, Hedo (granted was a S+T), Fields.
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cap space is better used not in fa: RE: Kapono, Hedo (granted was a S+T), Fields.
The Hedo S+T really undermines that point. The method doesn't matter, so much as the general decision making. There is such a thing as a good free agent signing. In fact, even overpaying to a degree is fine, so long as the player you get is a positive contributor. Kapono was 1-dimensional, Hedo not even that. Fields is hard to judge until we see him play on this team.

J.O. was a trade. The issue is not free agency - it is decision-making.
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The issue is not free agency - it is decision-making.
True. I still think we'd be much better off if Marion had stayed instead of Hedo although Hedo for Barbosa is probably the reason why BC was able to keep his job.
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Nope. First, you can't have cap space and a TPE. Second, your cap space is determined entirely by the contracts on your roster - whether you absorb Lowry into cap space or into a TPE, he still takes up room on the team's salary cap.

We have 7 million in cap space until Landry Fields is signed. Then we have pretty much none.
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Yes, they got a trade exception for $7.6 million, which expires 3/15/2013 (in other words, it will last through both the offseason and next season’s trade deadline).

Whether Toronto was under or over the cap depends on how you define “under the cap.” It’s true that their signed & waived players add up to just $46.1 million, which is $11.9 million under the cap. But when determining the amount of room a team has for signing free agents and for determining whether they get/keep their exceptions, you also have to include cap holds. The Raptors have cap holds for a number of free agents for whom they have Bird rights, including Julian Wright ($7.1 million), Rasho Nesterovic ($2.4 million) and Alexis Ajinca ($2.3 million). Their cap holds push their total high enough that they don’t lose their exceptions, so they get the $7.6 million trade exception for Barbosa.

Teams can renounce their free agents and/or exceptions, which removes their cap holds. So if the Raptors were to renounce all their free agents, they’d suddenly be below the cap — even when adding in the Barbosa trade exception — so the trade exception would go away as well.
I'm asking for assistance DanH, technically the Raps haven't released all of their cap holds for this coming season - which is 35.8 million. Add the Bayless TPE and that brings the cap holds and TPE total to 43.6 mil. Even releasing Bayless that pulls the salary & CH from 84.4 mil to 77ish mil. Though none of these trades/signings have officially happened the trick would be to do it in the right order without losing the TPE.

From what I've gathered we haven't released all of these holds equating to roughly 16 players (15 now if Bayless is off). Is there something I'm missing?
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Correct me I'm really curious. The Lowry trade isn't league official yet and the Raps traded Forbes (still under contract for 1.5 this year)/future first for Lowry's 5.7, would the Raps not use the TPE to absorb the balance or the mini mid exception? Has the team renounced all these holds? I just haven't heard otherwise. Or are you going under the premise of amnestying JC and renouncing all holds to secure the extra 10 mil in monies?
If I were the Raps I would use the mini/Forbes/pick to absorb Lowry. Then use the TPE to sign Fields. That exception/TPE actually totals 11ish mil. After those moves are final then trading JC makes the only sense to get that other FA IMO unless you amnesty him then renounce everyone - which would be last case scenario: which seems to me what BC meant when he stated he 'would amnesty Jose if he had to for cap space'. Only way would be to do that would be to renounce everyone else after the exceptions are used. I think technically we are making all these moves while over the cap.

SALARY
Jose Calderon $9,780,991
Andrea Bargnani $10,000,000
Amir Johnson $6,050,000
Linas Kleiza $4,600,000
DeMar Derozan $3,344,250
Ed Davis $2,207,040
James Johnson $2,812,006
Gary Forbes $1,500,000

REMAINING CAP HOLDS
Aaron Gray $3,000,000
Jonas Valanciunas * $2,812,200
#8 pick $2,136,400
Alan Anderson $1,054,389 QO - cap hold to be $854,389 (two year veteran's minimum) if no QO offered (not sure if we did)
Ben Uzoh $1,054,389 QO - cap hold to be $854,389 (two year veteran's minimum) if no QO offered (not sure if we did)
Jamaal Magloire $854,389
Julian Wright $7,145,143
Rasho Nesterovic $2,388,000
Alexis Ajinca $2,263,409
Sonny Weems $1,059,389
Joey Dorsey $854,389
Patrick O'Bryant $854,389
Pape Sow $854,389
Uros Slokar $762,195

RELEASED
Jerryd Bayless $7,605,700
Solomon Alabi (opt) $1,079,000

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what TPE? Didn't they wave that?
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what TPE? Didn't they wave that?
Did we? If the raps did they would have to release everyone on the cap holds to get that 11.3cap space. I thought the team waived/let expire the remainder of the Bosh TPE. Surprisingly the Barbosa one and the mini add to almost the same as having no one but the signed players.
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Officially the Raps are under the cap for tax purposes and what not but technically the Raps are over it with all those cap holds and bird rights.
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Did we? If the raps did they would have to release everyone on the cap holds to get that 11.3cap space. I thought the team waived/let expire the remainder of the Bosh TPE. Surprisingly the Barbosa one and the mini add to almost the same as having no one but the signed players.
not sure but i remember colangelo doing something with the tpe at the end of the season. he said it freed up money to be able to make a deal before the draft and take on salary if need be. not sure what that was though. i'm confused.
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not sure but i remember colangelo doing something with the tpe at the end of the season. he said it freed up money to be able to make a deal before the draft and take on salary if need be. not sure what that was though. i'm confused.
So am I. The Barbosa TPE doesn't expire till 2013. Both scenarios equal the same money wise and both scenarios have basically exhausted it. I'm just confused and trying to sort it out.

Stupid cap rules.
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not sure but i remember colangelo doing something with the tpe at the end of the season. he said it freed up money to be able to make a deal before the draft and take on salary if need be. not sure what that was though. i'm confused.
The Raps would have to renounce almost everyone that the team has holds and bird rights to. Once that's done the team would have cap space which nullifies the TPE.

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