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Old 07-20-2014, 03:02 PM   #561 (permalink)
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But....if you get to a point where your core group is playing together a while, Lowry, DD and JV are in the conversation as all-stars and you can add a PF doing the same, you have a strong team. Wish Horford was up as a UFA next summer.
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Old 07-20-2014, 04:24 PM   #562 (permalink)
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I can see that all expiring - Amir, LF, Hayes etc doesn't have a cap hold while Nando does have a cap hold, so when or what instance will the cap hold apply?
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Old 07-20-2014, 04:25 PM   #563 (permalink)
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I don't see any team paying him more than us, and I don't think there's anywhere he'd rather be, even if it means 1-2mil less per year. He'll be back. Mark my words.
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Old 07-20-2014, 04:34 PM   #564 (permalink)
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I love Amir. Going through the teams in the league, I was looking for PFs that are better than Amir Johnson on offence AND defence and I had a tough time finding players. For example, Love wouldn't part of that group because of his D.

The maybe list: David West, Millsap

The list: Bosh, Duncan, Anthony Davis, Ibaka

He's a valuable piece and we definitely need to retain him if he can remain healthy.
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I love Amir. Going through the teams in the league, I was looking for PFs that are better than Amir Johnson on offence AND defence and I had a tough time finding players. For example, Love wouldn't part of that group because of his D.

The maybe list: David West, Millsap

The list: Bosh, Duncan, Anthony Davis, Ibaka

He's a valuable piece and we definitely need to retain him if he can remain healthy.
Amir is decent offensively, his money is mostly earned on defense, lockeroom, community.
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Old 07-20-2014, 05:00 PM   #566 (permalink)
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i love amir, but in all honesty, i think if we go to retain him next summer, i would offer him the MLE no more.

to build a list of player whom we could sign or trade for next summer at PF :
1. Hoford
2. Millsap
3. TT
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Old 07-20-2014, 09:47 PM   #567 (permalink)
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I can see that all expiring - Amir, LF, Hayes etc doesn't have a cap hold while Nando does have a cap hold, so when or what instance will the cap hold apply?
Oh, they have cap holds. I've just assumed they will be renounced or re-signed. If they are not coming back, they'll be renounced to make cap room. If they are, their new deal has to fit into that cap room. Unless they are all coming back and we aren't adding anyone new, but I can't imagine that being the case. Only player I can see us keeping the rights to without signing them is Nando.
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Old 08-07-2014, 12:21 PM   #568 (permalink)
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anybody knew the contract for will cherry is?
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Old 08-07-2014, 03:41 PM   #569 (permalink)
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Reports were that it is a minimum deal, two years with the second unguaranteed. No details yet, but those were the reports.

That would be $507,336 this year and $874,636 next year.
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Old 08-18-2014, 02:12 PM   #570 (permalink)
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2014-15:
Kyle Lowry $12,000,000
DeMar DeRozan $10,100,000 (incl 600k incentive)
Amir Johnson $7,050,000 (5 M guar, incl 50k incentive)
Greivis Vasquez $6,400,000
Landry Fields $6,250,000
Chuck Hayes $5,958,750
Patrick Patterson $5,831,326
Lou Williams $5,450,000
Jonas Valanciunas $3,678,360
Tyler Hansbrough $3,326,235
Terrence Ross $2,793,960
James Johnson $2,500,000
Lucas (BeBe) Nogueira $1,762,680
Bruno Caboclo $1,458,360
Marcus Camby $646,609 (buyout)
Jordan Hamilton $915,243 (actual pay $948,163, guarantee status unknown)
Will Cherry $507,336 (counts as $915,243 for tax purposes, guarantee status unknown)

Nando de Colo $1,901,900 (cap hold; $1,828,750 QO)

Above roster, with NDC overseas: $77,036,766

Confirmed:
Cap: 63.035 M
Tax: 76.829 M
Apron/Hard Cap: 80.829 M

So we currently sit over the tax, and have 16 guys signed (max is 15). Odds are, Cherry and Hamilton both have partially unguaranteed deals, so one of them gets cut before the season, moving the team back under the tax and to a 15 man roster. If Ujiri wants to keep both, he'll need to find a trade where we take back a) less players and b) less salary if we want to dodge the tax.

Another note: we are now sitting on 3 different TPE's. The one from the Gay trade ($4.58M), the one from the Novak deal ($3.44M), and one generated in the Salmons-for-Williams deal ($2.35M).
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Old 09-04-2014, 01:47 PM   #571 (permalink)
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Add in Stiemsma, for the minimum (915k) and 1 year. Reports of 1M are probably referencing that. We don't have any way to pay a full 1M, as far as I can tell.

Anyway, so long as the guarantees for two of Stiemsma, Hamilton and Cherry add up to less than 700k, we can waive two of them and stay under the tax.
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Remember that bit I did on the 2016 cap going way up in 2016? I assumed TV revenue would double. Looks like it will do more than that.

NBA nearing massive media deals - SportsBusiness Daily | SportsBusiness Journal | SportsBusiness Daily Global

There they quote "more than $2B" - which is well over the $1.86B I assumed. Man alive.

Yet to be word on if they will take measures to reduce the cap impact, but they never have before, so I doubt they will (plus the PA would kick up a huge fuss).

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Old 09-08-2014, 10:46 AM   #573 (permalink)
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Remember that bit I did on the 2016 cap going way up in 2016? I assumed it would double. Looks like it will do more than that.

NBA nearing massive media deals - SportsBusiness Daily | SportsBusiness Journal | SportsBusiness Daily Global

There they quote "more than $2B" - which is well over the $1.86B I assumed. Man alive.

Yet to be word on if they will take measures to reduce the cap impact, but they never have before, so I doubt they will (plus the PA would kick up a huge fuss).

The cap won't double if only TV income doubles. Cap is 45% of basketball related income. Working backwards, 77 million cap for one team x 30 = 2.310 billion total, therefore total BRI is about 5.1 billion (2.3B is 45% of about 5.1B). Add a billion per year from TV and BRI is 6.1B, therefore cap should be 6.1 x.45= 2.7B. 2.7B/30 teams or about 91 million/team. Add increased revenue in the first year from normal growth and cap probably goes to around $95 million. That's huge.

Explains all the 2 years contracts and options.
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The cap won't double if only TV income doubles. Cap is 45% of basketball related income. Working backwards, 77 million cap for one team x 30 = 2.310 billion total, therefore total BRI is about 5.1 billion (2.3B is 45% of about 5.1B). Add a billion per year from TV and BRI is 6.1B, therefore cap should be 6.1 x.45= 2.7B. 2.7B/30 teams or about 91 million/team. Add increased revenue in the first year from normal growth and cap probably goes to around $95 million. That's huge.

Explains all the 2 years contracts and options.
I take it you missed this post from a while back then?

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With increasing murmurs of a gigantic TV deal in 2016, I thought I'd give a run down of what impact that might have. The current deal pays 930M a year (about a quarter of the total revenue), and the NBA is apparently pushing to double that in the new deal. That would mean a huge jump in revenues, and a huge jump in cap and tax numbers.

It breaks down like this. The current revenue (last year) sits at $4.522B, $0.93B of which is the TV deal. The non-TV portion (3.592B) is projected each year to increase by 4.5% over the previous year. Lately that projection has been falling about 1% short. So adjusting for that and projecting forward to 2016, the non-TV revenue projects to $4.215B. Adding on the $930M current TV deal would put the total revenue at $5.145B. Adding the potential new $1.86B per year deal (assumed double the current one) makes it $6.075B.

The cap is calculated by taking that total revenue, dividing by 2 (players get half of revenues), subtracting 8% for benefits, multiplying by a 0.895 factor to account for teams spending over the cap, and dividing by 30 to get a per team number. That yields a cap of 70.6M under the old projection, and a cap of 83.4M with the new TV deal. Quite a difference, huh?

The tax is calculated similarly, and the TV deal could have a similar impact there. The calculation is almost identical - you substitute 1.07 for the .895 number (as most teams do not spend to the tax). That means a tax threshold of 84.4M under the original projection, and 99.7M.

* Interesting note - those two factors used to differentiate the tax and cap numbers mean that the expected expenditure for the average team is about 93.4% of the tax threshold (or 11.7% above the cap). For this year that would mean 70.4M average payroll.

Anyway, a change that drastic could have a major impact on the summer of 2016. I think I'll do an updated version of my pie-in-the-sky plan for 2016 with the numbers I calculated here.
Obviously, it would be a bit higher if the TV deal is more like $2B than $1.8B like was earlier reported. More like 85M. Your 91M is quite a ways off.
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Obviously, it would be a bit higher if the TV deal is more like $2B than $1.8B like was earlier reported. More like 85M. Your 91M is quite a ways off.
I'll just try to stay out of these discussions in future. Your post 3 above isn't worded properly.

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I'll just try to stay out of these discussions in future. Your post 3 above isn't worded properly.
Well spotted. Will edit to be more clear.
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i try to follow but it become complicated. can you tell us how much the max contract will be after the tv deal.
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i try to follow but it become complicated. can you tell us how much the max contract will be after the tv deal.
Approximately $24.1M for the 7-9 year veteran (Durant, DeRozan).

The younger and older groups will be about $20.1M and $28.1M.
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thanks.

so even if we have a big capspace, like i suppose many teams will have, our capspace wold not be that great, isn't it ?
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thanks.

so even if we have a big capspace, like i suppose many teams will have, our capspace wold not be that great, isn't it ?
If we re-sign JV and Ross but let DD, Vasquez and JJ walk, we would have $37M in cap room. If we keep DD, but sign him last, his cap hold eats up $15M of that - leaving us with $22M of cap room - enough to entice a max guy, or offer the full max on a RFA.
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