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Old 07-25-2013, 02:31 PM   #321 (permalink)
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Since Sham is having a hard time with the new Raps front office, and I've been going off some estimates from Dougie, I'm going to update based on Hoopsworld's newest numbers. Updates are a reversal to the 3M dollar salary Hansbrough signed for (now seemingly more accurate than the 2.5 M salary from earlier), a slightly more precise Augustin number, and a tiny change in the calculation of the Camby buyout (more accurate report of the guarantee amount in year 2 impacts the distribution).

2013-14:

Rudy Gay $17,888,931 (2 years, PO in 2nd)
DeMar DeRozan $9,500,000 (4 years)
Amir Johnson $6,500,000 (2 years, 2nd $5M guar)
Landry Fields $6,250,000 (2 years)
Kyle Lowry $6,210,000 (1 year)
Steve Novak $3,750,000 (3 years)
Jonas Valanciunas $3,526,440 (3 years, TO in 2nd and 3rd)
Tyler Hansbrough $3,183,000 (2 years, 2nd $1M guar)
Aaron Gray $2,690,875 (1 year)
Terrence Ross $2,678,640 (3 years, TO in 2nd and 3rd)
Quentin Richardson $1,399,507 (3 years, 2nd and 3rd unguar)
DJ Augustin $1,267,000 (1 year)
Quincy Acy $788,872 (2 years, 2nd unguar; $884,293 for tax)
Dwight Buycks $700,000 (2 years, 2nd unguar; $884,293 for tax)

Marcus Camby Buyout $2,763,054 (0.647 M on next year's cap)

Team Cap Totals $69,096,319 (10.4 M above cap)
Team Tax Totals $69,376,033 (2.4 M below tax, 6.4 M below hard cap)

Cap: 58.679 M
Tax: 71.748 M
Apron/Hard Cap: 75.748 M

Quincy Acy and Dwight Buycks count as the full 2 year veteran minimum salary in the tax calculation.

That means the MLE was used up entirely (to the dollar), and the bi-annual exception (2.016 M) is free, with one spot free right now, with the Camby buyout.
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:48 PM   #322 (permalink)
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how much money will we have to spend on the FA once we get rid of QRich. Im 99% sure it will happen!
Is it $1,399,507+bi-anual(2.016) does it work that way?
or is going to be same thing like with Camby money towards next years cap?

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Old 07-25-2013, 02:57 PM   #323 (permalink)
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when we waive him he still counts against the cap, so we'll be in same situation as now
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:59 PM   #324 (permalink)
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how much money will we have to spend on the FA once we get rid of QRich. Im 99% sure it will happen!
Is it $1,399,507+bi-anual(2.016) or it doesn't work that way?
No, if we waive Q Rich, we will still have to pay him. And even if we magically traded him for nothing, we still are over the cap, so the most we can pay a player is the bi-annual exception.

As a note, you can never combine exceptions to sign players. So you can use cap space, or the MLE, or the BAE to sign a player, but you can't add 1M of cap space to the MLE to sign a 6M dollar player, or the BAE to the MLE to sign a 7 M dollar player. They have to be used separately.
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:18 AM   #325 (permalink)
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An interesting note brought up by Sham about Q-Rich - his salary in 14-15 and 15-16 becomes fully guaranteed if he is not waived by this coming January 1st. So he will pretty much definitely be waived before the season starts, unless Ujiri wants to carry him as an expiring for any December deals (there would be only a couple week window where he could be traded).
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Old 07-28-2013, 01:29 PM   #326 (permalink)
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Camby is being signed by HOU, but the set-off you'd typically see won't apply, as he took a significant cut in the buyout, and the negotiations likely included a waiving of the set-off rights. If the set-off was still in place, you'd see a savings of about 0.3 M, but that probably won't apply here.
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Old 07-31-2013, 08:24 AM   #327 (permalink)
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Austin Daye signed for the minimum for 2 years, with the 2nd fully unguaranteed.

2013-14:

Rudy Gay $17,888,931 (2 years, PO in 2nd)
DeMar DeRozan $9,500,000 (4 years)
Amir Johnson $6,500,000 (2 years, 2nd $5M guar)
Landry Fields $6,250,000 (2 years)
Kyle Lowry $6,210,000 (1 year)
Steve Novak $3,750,000 (3 years)
Jonas Valanciunas $3,526,440 (3 years, TO in 2nd and 3rd)
Tyler Hansbrough $3,183,000 (2 years, 2nd $1M guar)
Aaron Gray $2,690,875 (1 year)
Terrence Ross $2,678,640 (3 years, TO in 2nd and 3rd)
Quentin Richardson $1,399,507 (3 years, 2nd and 3rd unguar)
DJ Augustin $1,267,000 (1 year)
Austin Daye $947,907 (2 years, 2nd unguar)
Quincy Acy $788,872 (2 years, 2nd unguar; $884,293 for tax)
Dwight Buycks $700,000 (2 years, 2nd unguar; $884,293 for tax)

Marcus Camby Buyout $2,763,054 (0.647 M on next year's cap)

Team Cap Totals $70,044,226 (11.4 M above cap)
Team Tax Totals $70,323,940 (1.4 M below tax, 5.4 M below hard cap)

Cap: 58.679 M
Tax: 71.748 M
Apron/Hard Cap: 75.748 M

Quincy Acy and Dwight Buycks count as the full 2 year veteran minimum salary in the tax calculation.

That means the MLE was used up entirely (to the dollar), the bi-annual exception (2.016 M) is free (to be used this year or next), and the roster is full now. A Q-Rich waiving or trade could open up a spot. He could also be held until mid-December, where there is a two week window in which he can be traded before his Jan 1st salary guarantee date (if he's not waived by then, his 2nd and 3rd years become guaranteed).
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Sham has now confirmed all that Camby buyout stuff and the contract values for Hansbrough and Augustin.
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Old 08-19-2013, 12:47 PM   #329 (permalink)
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2nd year of Daye's deal is apparently 250 k guaranteed until June 2014 30th 2014, when it becomes fully guaranteed.
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DanH, i have a question.

everyone said to me that we can't have tpe in a multiple player trade.
so how it's possible that we have a 1.2M tpe from the Barg trade ?
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DanH, i have a question.

everyone said to me that we can't have tpe in a multiple player trade.
so how it's possible that we have a 1.2M tpe from the Barg trade ?
Before Dan answers, let me take a crack at this to see if I am sort of right. You get a tpe from another team when then money is off. But you cannot use a tpe in a multi player trade
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Before Dan answers, let me take a crack at this to see if I am sort of right. You get a tpe from another team when then money is off. But you cannot use a tpe in a multi player trade
Yeah, that's right. But it's more than that.

First, to generate a TPE: The trade must have more money going out than coming back, and there must only be one player going out. So, since we sent Bargs and nothing else to the Knicks, when we took back less salary, we generated a TPE in the deal. If we'd sent Bargs and Acy, for example, there would have been no TPE generated. (Teams can sometimes wiggle the finances around to still generate a TPE in a multi-player trade, but I'm keeping this example simple.)

Second, to use a TPE: You can absorb a player with a TPE, but cannot combine the TPE with the value of another outgoing player. So you can "trade" the TPE for a player, but not TPE+player for a higher paid player.
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oki, thanks Danh.
that seems fair.
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Old 11-03-2013, 06:16 AM   #334 (permalink)
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another quastion for you Danh :

if a team giev away a first pick with protection (like a 1-14, can the team give away the other part of the protection to another team ?
exemple :
dallas owed their 1st pick to OKC, protected 1-20.
can they offer the same pick but with the alternative protection to toronto: protected 21-30
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Nope, can't. See, you can't trade consecutive picks, so consider the following scenario:

DAL owes OKC their pick protected 1-20, trades the same pick to TOR protected 21-30.

DAL's pick ends up 16th. Protection means that DAL moves the pick to TOR, and DAL owes their next year's pick to OKC. The next season's pick ends up 25th, protection doesn't apply, so the pick gets transferred to OKC. Because this is a possibility, the dual trading of picks is not allowed.
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thanks !
it's a shame !
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Old 11-15-2013, 01:45 PM   #337 (permalink)
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Danh this is not cap/tax related but I think your the one here that knows all this stuff

Draft picks for the next says 3 years, I know we have some of Knicks picks but I cannot remember the conditions and the year and we don't owe anybody our pick right?
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Danh this is not cap/tax related but I think your the one here that knows all this stuff

Draft picks for the next says 3 years, I know we have some of Knicks picks but I cannot remember the conditions and the year and we don't owe anybody our pick right?
We have the Knicks 2014 and 2017 second rounders and the worse of New York or Denver's pick in 2016. So if Denver has a better pick we get NY, and vice versa.
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Yep, that last pick being a first rounder, not second rounder. And the 2014 pick from the Knicks is actually from the Thunder.

In addition, we owe our 2016 2nd rounder to MEM, and the worse of ours and SAC's 2nd round pick to MIL (SAC owes us their 2nd rounder) in 2014.
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If you get a pick from another team in a trade, could you add your own protection to it if you dealt it to another team.
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