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Old 02-21-2013, 07:02 PM   #181 (permalink)
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it's a scary thought when fields is your 5th highest paid player, and Bargnani your second
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Old 02-21-2013, 07:40 PM   #182 (permalink)
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what is the lux tax limit?
70+, won't be known for certain until end of season
we'll be under for sure though, it's extremely expensive to go over it, 100k over could cost 10+ million over a few years. that's we'll see a lot of teams doing that the grizzlies did, unload big contracts
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:21 AM   #183 (permalink)
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Clarification on that 2nd rounder sent to PHX:

Worst of TOR 2014 and SAC 2014 will be sent to PHX. TOR 2014 is protected 30-36.

So, if SAC's pick is worse than TOR's, SAC's pick is sent to PHX.

If TOR's pick is 37-60, and is worse than SAC's pick, the TOR pick is sent to PHX.

If TOR's pick is 30-36, and is worse than SAC's pick (ie both teams are in the bottom 7 in the league next year), no pick is sent. Instead, PHX has the right to swap 2nd rounders in 2015 if they so choose.
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:35 AM   #184 (permalink)
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Just so everyone is clear on this, as there are quite a few:

Owed:

2014 SAC 2nd round pick from SAC, bottom 5 protected. (TOR gets pick if it is between 31 and 55).

Owing:

2013 TOR 1st round pick to OKC (via HOU).
Protections:
2013: 1-3, 15-30
If not conveyed yet; 2014: 1-2, 15-30
If not conveyed yet; 2015: 1-2, 15-30
If not conveyed yet; 2016: 1, 15-30
If not conveyed yet; 2017: 1, 15-30
If not conveyed yet; 2018: no protection

2013 TOR 2nd round pick to MEM. No protection.

2014 TOR 2nd round pick to PHX.
Protections:
If 2014 TOR 2nd round pick is better than 2014 SAC 2nd round pick (and 2014 SAC 2nd round pick is owned by TOR), 2014 SAC 2nd round pick is conveyed instead.
If 2014 TOR 2nd round pick is worse than 2014 SAC 2nd round pick, 2014 TOR 2nd round pick is 30-36 protected.
2015: If not conveyed yet, PHX has rights to swap 2015 2nd round draft picks.

2016 TOR 2nd round pick to MEM. No protection.
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:51 PM   #185 (permalink)
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DanH, got some question

Did the CBA re: luxury tax came into effect last year or will only be applied this year

Well what im getting at is for example the Lakers - if the new luxury tax policy came into effect last year then the lakers will be under repeat offender category, is that correct?
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:58 PM   #186 (permalink)
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Just so everyone is clear on this, as there are quite a few:

Owed:

2014 SAC 2nd round pick from SAC, bottom 5 protected. (TOR gets pick if it is between 31 and 55).

Owing:

2013 TOR 1st round pick to OKC (via HOU).
Protections:
2013: 1-3, 15-30
If not conveyed yet; 2014: 1-2, 15-30
If not conveyed yet; 2015: 1-2, 15-30
If not conveyed yet; 2016: 1, 15-30
If not conveyed yet; 2017: 1, 15-30
If not conveyed yet; 2018: no protection

2013 TOR 2nd round pick to MEM. No protection.

2014 TOR 2nd round pick to PHX.
Protections:
If 2014 TOR 2nd round pick is better than 2014 SAC 2nd round pick (and 2014 SAC 2nd round pick is owned by TOR), 2014 SAC 2nd round pick is conveyed instead.
If 2014 TOR 2nd round pick is worse than 2014 SAC 2nd round pick, 2014 TOR 2nd round pick is 30-36 protected.
2015: If not conveyed yet, PHX has rights to swap 2015 2nd round draft picks.

2016 TOR 2nd round pick to MEM. No protection.
Jesus are they ever fucked.
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Old 04-02-2013, 01:11 PM   #187 (permalink)
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DanH, got some question

Did the CBA re: luxury tax came into effect last year or will only be applied this year

Well what im getting at is for example the Lakers - if the new luxury tax policy came into effect last year then the lakers will be under repeat offender category, is that correct?
The increased luxury tax rates come into effect next season (2013-14).

The repeater rates (which compound the already increased rates) come into effect the season after that (2014-15). So any team that paid tax in 2011-12, 2012-13, and 2013-14 will pay a repeater tax in 2014-15, assuming they are again in the tax.

Every year after that, the repeater tax applies if you paid tax in 3 of the most recent 4 years.
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Old 04-02-2013, 01:12 PM   #188 (permalink)
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Jesus are they ever fucked.
Meh. It is mostly second rounders. Getting this year's pick out of the way clears up the future for the most part.
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Old 05-23-2013, 01:04 PM   #189 (permalink)
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With the protection voided on this year's first rounder, the picture is a little simpler:

Owed:

2014 SAC 2nd round pick from SAC, bottom 5 protected. (TOR gets pick if it is between 31 and 55).

Owing:

2013 TOR 1st round pick to OKC (via HOU).

2013 TOR 2nd round pick to MEM. No protection.

2014 TOR 2nd round pick to PHX.
Protections:
If 2014 TOR 2nd round pick is better than 2014 SAC 2nd round pick (and 2014 SAC 2nd round pick is owned by TOR), 2014 SAC 2nd round pick is conveyed instead.
If 2014 TOR 2nd round pick is worse than 2014 SAC 2nd round pick, 2014 TOR 2nd round pick is 30-36 protected.
2015: If not conveyed yet, PHX has rights to swap 2015 2nd round draft picks.

2016 TOR 2nd round pick to MEM. No protection.
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Old 05-23-2013, 01:57 PM   #190 (permalink)
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so many 2nd round picks given away
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Old 06-03-2013, 08:50 AM   #191 (permalink)
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Cap being projected at 58.5M next year. As expected, just a slight increase over this year. Might still change until July 10th, but shouldn't stray much at this point.
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Cap being projected at 58.5M next year. As expected, just a slight increase over this year. Might still change until July 10th, but shouldn't stray much at this point.
So much for all this hope that the cap was going to go up 10+mil.
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Old 06-03-2013, 09:58 AM   #193 (permalink)
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So much for all this hope that the cap was going to go up 10+mil.
when does the cap ever jump that much? Since 2008 the cap has gone down by $200K
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when does the cap ever jump that much? Since 2008 the cap has gone down by $200K
Well, there's been a bit of economic downturn in the United States in general since then. But prior to 2008, there were several different occassions when the NBA cap went up by 12-18% during a year that saw a substantial revenue jump. Some fans/bloggers thought the economic downturn, as it relates to the league, was over because in September David Stern announced that league revenue was going up 20% from the last full 82 game season in 2010-2011. Since the cap was about $58 mill then, some people thought that the increased revenue meant the cap would go up as well.

The problem with that assumption was the new BRI formula. When a couple of bloggers started re-posting Stern's press anouncement and claiming the cap was going up, they didn't factor in the new BRI formula. For a while, I was believing the salary cap was going up too. It made sense given the revenue projections and the fact that the cap had gone up 18% once in the past. It wasn't until Woodchuck mentioned something about BRI being different this time around that I consulted Coon's FAQ page and noticed the change.
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we were never going to anything with a big increase in the cap anyways (if BC was around we would've gave Korver 4/$40 mil ). it would've only helped teams like Houston, Atlanta and Dallas sign a big FA and have room for some role players.
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Old 06-03-2013, 10:31 AM   #196 (permalink)
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when new guys over pays for some role player in the future, will you insult him as well? Or just learn the basic economic and sociological realities of operating in Canada?
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when new guys over pays for some role player in the future, will you insult him as well? Or just learn the basic economic and sociological realities of operating in Canada?
yes

and what does being in Canada have to do with overpaying bad players like Hedo and Landry? BC chose to waste money on those guys. Other teams weren't interest in paying anything close to what he was offering. He was bidding against himself.

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and what does being in Canada have to do with overpaying bad players like Hedo and Landry? BC chose to waste money on those guys. Other teams weren't interest in paying anything close to what he was offering. He was bidding against himself.
Hedo was seen as a good player at the time which is why we weren't the only team offering that kind of money (Portland). Landry was a stupid move. But being in Canada does play into it, absolutely. Ujiri will overpay players, already has (McGee) and it likely won't take long here. Most GM's overpay some players and they aren't in Canada.

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Hedo was seen as a good player at the time which is why we weren't the only team offering that kind of money (Portland). Landry was a stupid move. But being in Canada does play into it, absolutely. Ujiri will overpay players, already has (McGee) and it likely won't take long here. Most GM's overpay some players and they aren't in Canada.
Its one thing to overpay $10mil for J Smith but throwing more money to take Hedo away from Portland was dumb. he was bad, slow and I don't think anyone wanted him.

you're right. basically every team overpays for a player to lure them away from their team. only exception is when vets want to join a contender.
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Its one thing to overpay $10mil for J Smith but throwing more money to take Hedo away from Portland was dumb. he was bad, slow and I don't think anyone wanted him.
You have a bad memory imo. Nobody wanted him? At the time he was not bad, he was a big reason they went to the finals that summer. And we outbid Portland by 2mil over 4yrs (500k per season). In other words, we weren't bidding against ourselves and another team was willing to pay him almost as much. When you say nobody wanted him, if you mean fans you're out to lunch. If you mean other teams, same thing.
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