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Old 12-30-2008, 11:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Raptors biggest draft blunder

I was thinking about a poll, but i think leaving this as an open thread would work better.

I still think that drafting Bargs will do down as the biggest blunder by this team. We passed on Brandon Roy and LeMarcus Aldridge, both projected as top level NBA players, I won't include Adam Morrison or JJ Redick as neither was to be more than a role player at best, so, the list contains Sheldon Williams, Rudy Gay, Rajon Rondo, Randy Foye, Ronnie Brewer, Josh Boone and Jordan Farmar. So many guys in that draft that were more solid picks than Andrea. I know, some will say how highly touted he was, but most of the hype came from BC to make it seem like he was a steal. Marco will be a much better nba player than Bargs in the long run as i see it right now.

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Old 12-30-2008, 11:44 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Drafting Tmac and never really developing him or giving him real PT while we sucked and watching him leave for nada.
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LaMarcus was not a draft blunder. He'd be redundant on this team. I've said this before. I'll give you Roy, sure, but not LaMarcus. He's too rail thin to play the C and Bosh isn't a C.

I'm also going to stay away right now b/c this is a hindsight thread and they're never fun to discuss.
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Drafting Tmac and never really developing him or giving him real PT while we sucked and watching him leave for nada.
Breaking my own rule.

The Tmac thing though goes both ways. He said he'd consider our offer but never did then. Just wanted to up and leave. It left a bad taste in my mouth.
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every year theres "a certain guy" thats passed up on and we say "shit! we shoulda drafter him".
of course selecting Bargs over brandon Roy would be one of my picks for biggest mistake we've made on draft day, but Bargs still has a chance to do something special.

The one that sticks out above all is that wasted pick on Haffa.
like i said in another thread, imagine Beidrins in the raps' red and black right now?
holy hell, we'd be awesome.
rebounding woes? what rebounding woes?
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Old 12-30-2008, 11:48 AM   #6 (permalink)
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LaMarcus was not a draft blunder. He'd be redundant on this team. I've said this before. I'll give you Roy, sure, but not LaMarcus. He's too rail thin to play the C and Bosh isn't a C.

I'm also going to stay away right now b/c this is a hindsight thread and they're never fun to discuss.
we didnt blunder by not selecting Lamarcus...
Chicago should be the one's kicking themselves for trading him for Tyrus...
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Breaking my own rule.

The Tmac thing though goes both ways. He said he'd consider our offer but never did then. Just wanted to up and leave. It left a bad taste in my mouth.
i agree, but at the same time i can see his point for screwing us over, he was clearly a unbelieveable talent (hell i was one of the few that had the Tmac jersey > Vince and always said he could be better) yet got so little PT to develop outta HS why would he want to stay? Guaranteed to get his shine in another place i would leave too. We mishandled him very badly imo.
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Old 12-30-2008, 11:54 AM   #8 (permalink)
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We should've drafted Roy. I don't understand why BC would draft Bargs when they are already biulding around a PF(Bosh).

Also, we shouldn't have drafted Haffa. Sure we needed a center, but there was also Beindrins in the draft. There was Verajao, and there was also Jefferson. This was another blunder.

Then came draft day 2005. Who did we draft, yea we drafted CV. Another PF. What is the point of taking a PF when you biuilding around one. I just don't understand. We also chose Joey. There were a lot of better talents in that draft. Naming a few, Granger, Lee, and Maxiell.

Now, I am going a while back to draft day 2001. We took Micheal Bradly, and I know come people are going, "Who the hell was that?". Yea that's right I don't even know who he was but there was some better talent that draft too. Such as Gilbert Arenas, Tony Parker, and Sammy D.

There were a lot of major draft day blunders. These just to name a few. I could go all the way back and think about some there too. The thing is when you draft you don't have a real clue of how the player will pan out. Sure some players become better than others but on that day there are so many names going through your head but you just don't know who to choose. Who ever you chose, you think this was the best choice. The draft day is pretty much like when you draft for a fantasy league. You know if a player did well the year before but you don't really know if they'll pan out the next year. You go with your instincts....
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Old 12-30-2008, 11:58 AM   #9 (permalink)
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ALOT of teams (including us) passed on Millsap a few years ago.... what I wouldn't give to have him in a Raps jersey.... Can't believe he went 2nd round... we also missed out on Boozer (2nd round as well) and Redd (when we chose Mo Pete lol)
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oh shit!


nope i take mine back!

GRANGER F'in GRANGER!

i remember the couple months leading up to the draft, i wanted Granger sooooo badly. when we used our first pick on CV, i was pissed. then he fell to us again... and we selected Joey Graham. i almost lost it. that is why, till this day i will always say that Joey Graham is dead to me.
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Old 12-30-2008, 12:30 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The Bargs pick wasn't a blunder. It would have been stupid to draft Aldridge and NO ONE was going to pick Roy 1st overall. Brandon Roy was selected sixth overall for Christ's sake. I don't know why people keep saying they would have drafted Roy. No GM in the NBA (or at least 5 of them) thought Roy should have went 1st. Obviously he would have been the best pick, but that's with complete hindsight.
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Old 12-30-2008, 12:40 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Where Graham went, that wasn't a blunder. Graham had an outstanding collegiate career and blew away the competition at the combines. Like left them in the dust. He just didn't develop into the player we thought he'd be. Granger went into the right situation and flourished.

All of these things are hindsight. If Granger came to TO and didn't perform the way he has in Indiana, would we be saying the same thing about someone else?

It depends a lot of environment.

I didn't mind the Bargs selection at the time because you were talking about potential. a true 7- footer who could shoot the rock and spread the floor while playing decent D.
Everyone knew Roy was gonna be the most NBA ready player, but his ceiling wasn't thought oif to be higher than Bargnani's.

But by far and away, the biggest blunder was Araujo. At least the team could have traded down and selected a PG like Jameer Nelson. Araujo was too much of a reach - especially at 8 and coming in from a weak conference. They tried to sell the pick to the fans, yeah, he has a hockey mentality, but that counts for nothing in the foul-happy NBA.
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Where Graham went, that wasn't a blunder. Graham had an outstanding collegiate career and blew away the competition at the combines. Like left them in the dust. He just didn't develop into the player we thought he'd be. Granger went into the right situation and flourished.

All of these things are hindsight. If Granger came to TO and didn't perform the way he has in Indiana, would we be saying the same thing about someone else?

It depends a lot of environment.

I didn't mind the Bargs selection at the time because you were talking about potential. a true 7- footer who could shoot the rock and spread the floor while playing decent D.
Everyone knew Roy was gonna be the most NBA ready player, but his ceiling wasn't thought oif to be higher than Bargnani's.

But by far and away, the biggest blunder was Araujo. At least the team could have traded down and selected a PG like Jameer Nelson. Araujo was too much of a reach - especially at 8 and coming in from a weak conference. They tried to sell the pick to the fans, yeah, he has a hockey mentality, but that counts for nothing in the foul-happy NBA.
Thing is Hoops... if we didn't take him UTH (I think) would have 2 spots below us. And although Haffa didn't come from the ACC (or some other power conf.) he DID play some games against good teams. I think his best game of the season came against Ok. St. when they were a Top 5 team.

The problem was that everyone thought we were getting a guy who was going to put up 20 + 10 for us when in reality he was never that skilled a player. That's not to say that he couldn't have found a niche here though....
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Guys who dominate by sheer power and size but lack true athletism rarely do well in the NBA where everybody is bigger and stronger, it was a horrid pick.
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Guys who dominate by sheer power and size but lack true athletism rarely do well in the NBA where everybody is bigger and stronger, it was a horrid pick.


and if the refs gave greg oden the respect they give AB....
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Guys who dominate by sheer power and size but lack true athletism rarely do well in the NBA where everybody is bigger and stronger, it was a horrid pick.
Not exactly true.... there were few who could matches Haffa's raw strength and that came in VERY handy (although no one ever remembers) when we played guys like Zach, Curry, Shaq, Yao, Brand, D12 etc....
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you can go though almost every draft for every team and find "blunders".

remember what a "blunder" babs made for passing on gerald green? people wanted to lynch him for that. the new flavour is granger. (actually, i wanted granger). but imagine if we'd taken bynum over charlie and ellis over graham. that would be a huge boost from where our talent level is now.

if anything, if there was a possibility of trading up (the charlie and graham pick) to portland's 3rd and taken chris paul, that would have been a monster. there was rumour of it but also of portland being affraid to deal with us because they were fearful utah would take webster with the 6th.

is trading the choice of chris paul or even darren williams to take martell webster not a bigger goof than many, if not all, of toronto's?
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Not exactly true.... there were few who could matches Haffa's raw strength and that came in VERY handy (although no one ever remembers) when we played guys like Zach, Curry, Shaq, Yao, Brand, D12 etc....
Curry i would agree, and to a lesser extent Zach, neither are close to great or worth a lotto imo.... the rest named are tremendously athletically gifted, thats the big difference, those guys all have many facets to their games and are very light on their feet for bigs.

Blah, read your post somewhat wrong, Haffa was/is still a joke, he isnt much of an athlete at all, just big.
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Haffa was a gym rat. He was just dumb as rocks - and that's an insult on the rocks.

I've said it a million times before, if this were the 80's/early 90s, it would have a been a fantastic pick - he would have had no problem adjusting.
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Thing is Hoops... if we didn't take him UTH (I think) would have 2 spots below us. And although Haffa didn't come from the ACC (or some other power conf.) he DID play some games against good teams. I think his best game of the season came against Ok. St. when they were a Top 5 team.

The problem was that everyone thought we were getting a guy who was going to put up 20 + 10 for us when in reality he was never that skilled a player. That's not to say that he couldn't have found a niche here though....
I heard a lot of rumblings about Utah - who were slated to select at 14 (who instead selected Kris Humphries) and Boston (at 15) - who were both high on him. Thing is, you never select for need when you're in the lotto - you select who should be the BPA (best player available) on the board. Haffa wasn't.
Also, if you take a look at Haffa's stats, how many times did he foul out or was near fouling out in his collegiate career - a lot. His stats were inflated because he played in a very weak conference. He played against teams whose centre was like 6'8" or 6'7".
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