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dmbphan041 01-28-2009 06:33 PM

Raptors are the "biggest dissapointment"
 
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Originally Posted by NBA.com
Biggest Disappointment

The Raptors expected to contend in the East with the addition of Jermaine O'Neal. They've since fired coach Sam Mitchell, could be trading O'Neal and are likely headed to the lottery.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/feature...127/index.html

Ugo Ferst 01-28-2009 07:14 PM

LeBron for MVP and has a chance for Defensive, has anybody ever won both??

Ball Don't Lie 01-28-2009 07:24 PM

Wow, if hes being talked about as DPOY the league is a joke. He looked like a joke when Ben Wallace was out not covering his misques.

Lebron is FAR from being a very good defender, let alone the DPOY. Theyre a great defensive team because of Mike Browns defensive system and that they have a very quick team with a lot of length up front.

Superjudge 01-28-2009 07:28 PM

unfortunately Thriller, the NBA is as asinine handing out thier defensive awards as they are handing out fouls.

Nowadays, steals and blocks are considered the monikers of good defence. Lebron blocks shots weak side and gets alot of steal sin the lane, The NBA is all show no go.

Ugo Ferst 01-28-2009 10:27 PM

I watch quite a few Cav's games and to my obv untrained eye, LeBron has been rock solid defensively. The improvement is vast imo

Anyways, has a player ever won both MVP and DPOY?

bartdudeman 01-28-2009 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 131200)
unfortunately Thriller, the NBA is as asinine handing out thier defensive awards as they are handing out fouls.

Nowadays, steals and blocks are considered the monikers of good defence. Lebron blocks shots weak side and gets alot of steal sin the lane, The NBA is all show no go.

lebron is averaging the same amount of steals and blocks as last year and the nba analysts and experts critisized him for terrible D. he has improved in such a huge way on defense, the people he guards have low numbers and he is a great defender in the passing lane... even his on ball defense has improved. ya'll are just hating on lebron cause he's the best and most well rounded player and u cant accept it

Ugo Ferst 01-28-2009 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bartdudeman (Post 131543)
lebron is averaging the same amount of steals and blocks as last year and the nba analysts and experts critisized him for terrible D. he has improved in such a huge way on defense, the people he guards have low numbers and he is a great defender in the passing lane... even his on ball defense has improved. ya'll are just hating on lebron cause he's the best and most well rounded player and u cant accept it

Thats my fucking word!! I dont get it, you dont like him, fine. I didnt like MJ but i admit his skills. LBJ is an ELITE defender right now, they dont let any Joe Jabroni just vote on shit. Ppl are watching LeBron like a hawk, he isnt Bosh in Toronto, who can just put up numbers and ppl assume his D is prob good. Everybody watches him (lebron), his D is that good, he is a shutdown defender and ill give 2 to 1 that he makes the all NBA 1st team defense (two to one for you!!!).

moremilk 01-28-2009 11:58 PM

I think jordan won both, and more than once.

Ugo Ferst 01-29-2009 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by moremilk (Post 131558)
I think jordan won both, and more than once.

damn that guy was the keon clark of his generation!! Thats a pretty sick accomplishment, anybody else?


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