Raptors are #4 all time drafting team in the past 20 years
Old 06-05-2009, 06:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Raptors are #4 all time drafting team in the past 20 years

Apparently at least.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/insider/news/story?id=4221335[INSIDER ONLY]
Top 5 drafting teams in the past 20 years:
1. Spurs
2. Lakers
3. Suns
4. Raptors
5. Cavs

And that's after we managed to draft the worse player ever drafted with the #8 pick (Araujo):
NBA Draft - D.R.A.F.T. Initiative: Pick analysis - ESPN

Since our current GM handled two of the top 5 teams in the past 20 years, maybe we'll get extra lucky this summer
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Old 06-05-2009, 07:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Ah man I wnted to read it but I am not an insider
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Old 06-05-2009, 08:05 PM   #3 (permalink)
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could you post the article on here for those of us who arent insiders
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We and Isiah were aces at drafting in the 90s. Then it all fell apart
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yea and if farts where gold i would eat at taco bell everyday
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yea and if farts where gold i would eat at taco bell everyday
and if I had a 6 figure salary, a supposed hot wife/gf, and was a big enough douchebag to brag about it on a basketball forum...I'd be Ugo!
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here it is, not a very lengthy read:
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Which teams have drafted best over the past 20 years? And which are the worst draft-day franchises? To figure that out, you can't just compile a list of names. Even the Warriors can trot out some gems, which is what happens when you end up in the lottery almost every season. But just because they've nabbed Antawn Jamison, Chris Webber, Jason Richardson and Andris Biedrins, it doesn't mean they're excellent at evaluating talent.



Instead, to measure a team's success in the draft, you have to rate its picks against the expected value of a given slot. For instance, Andrew Bogut is a fine player with a career EWA of 5.4. That's a lottery-worthy number. But it's not good enough to be worthy of the No. 1 pick (expected EWA of 7.8), which means the Bucks cost themselves some wins.



With that in mind, we studied every pick over the past 20 years for each franchise and came up with a total number of wins above or below expectations. We've also presented that information on a per-pick basis, since the Clippers obviously have had more opportunities to draft than the Bobcats.



How does that relate to the ultimate letter grades? On average, teams actually draft exceptionally close to expected levels. The average team over the past 20 years has picked a player with an EWA that is just 0.1 below the expected rating at a given spot. The average grade, then, becomes a "C" which is where the Rockets landed in the chart. Every tenth of a point (plus or minus) away from 0.1 resulted in a grade change (from C to C+, B+ to A-, C- to D+, etc.). The Spurs, whose rating is off the charts, get their A+ with a special gold star. And the Clippers? Even a perfect draft this year wouldn't give them a passing grade.



For each team's detailed draft history, just click on the linked name.



[NOTE: For a draft-day swap (such as Dirk Nowitzki for Robert Traylor), the team ending up with the player is credited with the selection. So, in that case, Dallas gets Nowitzki and Milwaukee gets Traylor.]

Team-by-team analysis
Rank Team Grade Wins above expected Wins per pick 2009 Draft Pick
1 Spurs A+ 22.1 0.85 25
2 Lakers A+ 27.2 0.76 29
3 Suns A+ 28.8 0.67 14
4 Raptors A 15.3 0.54 9
5 Cavaliers A- 15.3 0.44 30
6 Celtics B+ 13.5 0.33 28
7 Thunder B- 11.1 0.24 3
8 Hornets B- 5.7 0.18 21
9 76ers B- 6.3 0.14 17
10 Jazz C+ 2.5 0.07 20
11 Warriors C+ 2.9 0.06 7
12 Heat C+ 0.2 0.01 18
13 Pistons C -0.6 -0.2 15
14 Blazers C -3.2 -0.07 24
15 Grizzlies C -2.5 -0.07 2
16 Rockets C -3.8 -0.08 23
17 Bucks C- -4.3 -0.11 10
18 Magic C- -4.7 -0.12 27
19 Timberwolves C- -5.3 -0.13 6
20 Mavericks D+ -9.5 -0.22 22
21 Kings D -13.0 -0.32 4
22 Pacers D -11.9 -0.35 13
23 Bulls D- -24.4 -0.49 16
24 Knicks F -16.8 -0.53 8
25 Nuggets F -22.6 -0.54 26
26 Nets F -21.6 -0.62 11
27 Wizards F -22.8 -0.63 5
28 Hawks F -30.2 -0.66 19
29 Bobcats F -11.8 -1.18 12
30 Clippers F -52.0 -1.18 1
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and the second article (unfortunately, the tables are hard to read in this format):

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If there is a guiding principle of the NBA draft, it's the notion of "upside." Teams envision the best-case scenario for every prospect; fans assume players will meet all expectations and comparisons.

Here at Insider, though, we're all about reality. And history has taught us that more often than not, draft picks don't exactly measure up to the hype, albeit not always on a Darko/Dirk scale. To determine what is realistic, then, we looked back at the past 20 drafts (beginning in 1989, when the NBA pared the draft to two rounds) and examined the value produced at each slot. The chart below shows the end result of a complicated process of number crunching.

Using John Hollinger's estimated wins added statistic, plus some nifty regression analysis, we were able to determine an expected value for every pick in the draft, independent of this year's specific teams or players. The next column shows the actual average EWA for each pick. We have included the best and worst players drafted at each slot, based on EWA -- think of this as a ceiling and a floor -- as well as the drafted player who comes closest to resembling the expected EWA for a given pick. That's the caliber of player you should expect your team to select.



From now through the draft, we'll expand on all of these concepts, and we'll also examine the best and worst breeding grounds of talent, team-based drafting tendencies and players' career arcs based on whether they entered the draft out of high school, college or the international ranks.



For now, familiarize yourself with the table below, as well as its team-based counterpart. And then recalibrate your expectations.




ROUND 1
No. eEWA EWA Expected Ceiling Floor
1 7.8 9.7 Chris Webber (10.2) LeBron James (24.1) M. Olowokandi (-0.2)
2 6.4 6.4 Marcus Camby (6.4) Gary Payton (12.3) Danny Ferry (0.5)
3 5.6 6.2 J. Stackhouse (5.9) Pau Gasol (13.9) Adam Morrison (-1.8)
4 5.0 6.1 Donyell Marshall (4.8) Chris Paul (20.6) Shaun Livingston (0.3)
5 4.5 6.1 Juwan Howard (4.5) Kevin Garnett (18.1) N. Tskitshvili (-0.8)
6 4.2 1.9 Tom Gugliotta (3.9) Brandon Roy (12.5) Dajuan Wagner (-0.2)
7 3.8 2.6 Jason Williams (3.6) Richard Hamilton (7.3) Corey Brewer (-1.2)
8 3.6 2.3 T.J. Ford (3.9) Andre Miller (9.9) Rafael Araujo (-0.7)
9 3.3 4.4 Rodney Rogers (2.5) Dirk Nowitzki (17.8) Eric Montross (-0.5)
10 3.1 3.7 Erick Dampier (2.9) Paul Pierce (13.8) Luke Jackson (-0.1)
11 2.9 2.1 Tyrone Hill (2.3) Terrell Brandon (6.2) Fran Vazquez (DNP)
12 2.8 1.2 Nick Collison (2.8) Mookie Blaylock (6.0) Alec Kessler (-0.5)
13 2.6 3.5 C. Williamson (2.6) Kobe Bryant (16.7) Sebastian Telfair (-0.4)
14 2.4 1.8 Al Thornton (2.0) Tim Hardaway (7.7) Mateen Cleaves (-0.3)
15 2.3 1.8 Kelvin Cato (1.5) Steve Nash (10.0) Anthony Avent (-0.5)
16 2.2 1.7 Terry Mills (2.0) Ron Artest (5.7) Bryce Drew (-0.5)
17 2.0 2.3 Bobby Sura (1.9) Shawn Kemp (7.9) Johnny Taylor (-0.1)
18 1.9 1.0 James Posey (1.9) David West (7.5) Jason Collins (-3.0)
19 1.8 0.8 Dee Brown (2.0) Zach Randolph (7.8) Quincy Lewis (-0.4)
20 1.7 1.0 R. Balkman (1.7) Z. Ilgauskas (6.5) Kareem Rush (-0.7)
21 1.6 1.9 Jon Barry (1.7) Rajon Rondo (5.8) Daequan Cook (-1.4)
22 1.5 0.5 Oliver Miller (1.6) Jarrett Jack (2.7) Casey Jacobsen (-0.7)
23 1.4 1.0 Wilson Chandler (1.4) Tayshaun Prince (5.2) Lee Mayberry (-0.3)
24 1.4 2.0 Nenad Krstic (1.4) Sam Cassell (8.4) Rodrick Rhodes (-0.2)
25 1.3 0.5 Tony Allen (1.3) Gerald Wallace (5.4) Johan Petro (-0.4)
26 1.2 1.4 Charlie Ward (1.3) Vlade Divac (7.5) Lance Blanks (-0.1)
27 1.1 0.7 Primoz Brezec (0.9) Elden Campbell (4.2) Arron Afflalo (-0.8)
28 1.0 1.0 Lucious Harris (0.9) Tony Parker (9.5) Donte Greene (-2.1)
29 1.0 0.9 D.J. White (0.6) Josh Howard (7.2) Trenton Hassell (-2.3)
30 0.9 0.9 O. Harrington (0.8) Gilbert Arenas (9.8) Maciej Lampe (-0.1)
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Thats fucking funny.
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well considering we got guys like camby, tmac, vc, Bosh from our drafts
then we got guys like charlie v, damon, bargs
even though we draftee araujo so high i think mopete with the 20 something pick canceled that out
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Just further illustrates the Raptors past history of inability to keep players.
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Usually you would equate this "ranking" to success. We are the anomaly!!
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This franchise hasn't even existed for 20 years yet.
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The other thing to take into consideration though is take a look at where we typically draft. We've been a lottery team for how many years of our existence?

Compare that to San Antonio, Los Angeles and Phoenix and this record, to me at least, doesn't seem as impressive.

Of course, it doesn't really surprise anyone to see the Clippers at the bottom though. That's just a bad, bad franchise.
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draft related

It seems like if derozan, evand and jrue are taken
flynn will be the pick
he worked out with the raps and was strong on D
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It seems like if derozan, evand and jrue are taken
flynn will be the pick
he worked out with the raps and was strong on D
if derozan , evans and holiday are all taken in front of the raps then its very possible a good prospect has slipped. possibly harden , rubio, or a big with to much potential to pass on like shotblocking thabeet or hill(bosh insurance),

they should be thinknig a little more then backup pg with the 9 in my opinion, then again maybe flynn is the real deal. If they're so concerned about backing up cadleron(our 10 million dollar starting point), then obviously Calderon is not the answer
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The other thing to take into consideration though is take a look at where we typically draft. We've been a lottery team for how many years of our existence?

Compare that to San Antonio, Los Angeles and Phoenix and this record, to me at least, doesn't seem as impressive.

Of course, it doesn't really surprise anyone to see the Clippers at the bottom though. That's just a bad, bad franchise.
but how many of those years we had really good picks? Most of the time we've drafted 8+, in the rare exceptions we got high lottery picks, we ended up with pretty good players (camby, carter, bosh, hopefully andreea).
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but how many of those years we had really good picks? Most of the time we've drafted 8+, in the rare exceptions we got high lottery picks, we ended up with pretty good players (camby, carter, bosh, hopefully andreea).
It speaks to a team's scouting and drafting ability when guys picked in the 6 - 15 range turn into solid players. The Raptors usually aren't "bad" enough to be in the top five, and once you're out the top five drafting tends to become grayer and more difficult. Historically the Raps have done a good job of turning middle of the pack picks into quality pros.
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