Raptor Rant – Draft History = Epic Fail?
Old 06-18-2009, 09:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The NBA season wrapped up earlier this week and now the only thing people are talking about is the draft. It’s that time of year when the possibilities are endless and we get a major overdose of the words “upside”, “potential” and “athletic”. Workouts and interviews, teams want to know what the prospects can bring to the team on and off the court.

Every team wants to improve and most go the best player available (BPA) route, but I am convinced that the Raptors rank towards the bottom of the list when it comes to draft success. I have been following the team closely since 1997 and each year I cringe when the commissioner reads out the selection. Things started off well for the franchise with solid picks including Damon Stoudamire, Marcus Camby, Tracy McGrady and Antawn Jamison (that became Vince Carter). You can knock Isiah Thomas for a lot of things he did while GM of the Raptors, but drafting players is not one of them. Since then it has been more of a hit and miss affair. When Glen Grunwald came on board as the GM, he brought along Jim Kelly as the head scout. Fans of the team often express their rage on draft picks and all fingers point to Jim Kelly who remains employed by the Raptors to date under the title of Senior Director, Player Personnel.

1st round picks since inception (1995): 15

Isiah Thomas Era (1995 – 1997): Damon Stoudamire, Marcus Camby, Tracy McGrady
Glen Grunwald Era (1998 – 2002): Antwan Jamison (Traded-> Vince Carter*), Jonathan Bender (Traded), Aleksander Radojevic, Morris Peterson, Michael Bradley, Kareem Rush (Traded-> Chris Jefferies*)
Rob Babcock Era (2003 – 2005): Chris Bosh, Rafael Araujo, Charlie Villanueva, Joey Graham
Bryan Colangelo Era (2006 – 2008): Andrea Bargnani, Roy Hibbert (Traded)

The Raptors have never picked lower than 21st in the Draft and 9 of their 1st round picks have been of the top 10 variety. All that said, the names in the list above are far from stellar and there have definitely been some questionable picks along the way. I question why the team loves to draft based on a position they need to fill rather than the BPA. I question why the team is so caught up in character they overlook the pure talent of the player. I question the method to their madness! Of their 15 picks, the Raptors have pretty much blown 5 of them…
- Jonathan Bender was traded for Antonio Davis and that worked out better for the Raptors as Bender never lived up to the hype.
- Aleksander Radojevic played all of 12 NBA games and was the first of many big man busts to don the Raptor uniform.
- Michael Bradley managed to stay in the NBA 5 years but totaled only 173 games due to perpetually being on the injured list.
- Chris Jefferies had TMac’s sleepy look with no skill to go along with it. He made it through 2 years and a total of 72 NBA games
- Rafael Araujo somehow managed to suit up for 139 NBA games but to date this pick brings out the most rage from Raptor fans.

Every single one of these picks were made when Jim Kelly has had a major role in the scouting/draft process. I know its not fair to pick him out from what is probably a team but he has been the only constant during the time in question.

2nd round picks since inception (1995): 11

Isiah Thomas Era (1995 – 1997): Jimmy King
Glen Grunwald Era (1998 – 2002): Tyson Wheeler, DeeAndre Hulett
Rob Babcock Era (2003 – 2005): Remon Van de Hare, Albert Miralles (Traded-> Pape Sow*), Roko Ukic, Uros Slokar
Bryan Colangelo Era (2006 – 2008): P.J. Tucker, Edin Bavcic (Traded), Giorgos Printezis, Nathan Jawai

Looking at these names, there is not a single player drafted in the second round who has played at least 82 games in the NBA. That in itself is pretty telling number, because even though it’s not uncommon for players drafted in the 2nd round to never make it, a 0% success rate is sad. This information on its own may not mean much, but when you look at the percentages compared to overall draft results it gives you a clearer picture.

# of 2nd round picks – not including the Raptors (1995-2008): 400
# of 2nd round picks who have played** in the NBA – not including the Raptors (1995-2008): 136

This shows that 34% of players picked since ‘95 have played at least 82 games in the NBA. The second round of the draft is where teams take that stab in the dark and the players picked are raw experiments, or as of late, cap decisions. Bleacher Report and Hoop Doctors have covered the topic of some of the best players to come out of the 2nd round.

This information may seem like a loose end but I will be back later in the week with part 2 of this series to tie it in with players who were passed on by the Raptors. Part 3 of this series will involve comparing the draft success of teams who have enjoyed a similar level of success to the Raptors over the past 15 years.
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:00 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Ouch on the second round picks!!

That being said, we've picked some gems in the 1st round imo.
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:08 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Bonner was a 2nd round pick. Was he not essentially Toronto's pick traded to them from Chicago?
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:11 AM   #4 (permalink)
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i see 8 really good picks, 3 or 4 decent ones and 3 or 4 bad ones in the first round. is that really an epic failure?
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:11 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Grunwald drafted Bosh, not Babcock.

The Babcock era was 2004-2005.

Got to love guys who can't be bothered to check their facts.
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didn't ESPN rank the raps as a top 10 drafting team?
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:21 AM   #7 (permalink)
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didn't ESPN rank the raps as a top 10 drafting team?
Probably based on their 1st round picks. Which are pretty impressive.
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I think it was based on every pick
b/c SA was #1 and they picked a lot of quality 2nd rounders
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Say what you want about Isiah, man knows how to draft.
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I feel that I have the blinders off right now (it's easy to do after a shit season), and I'll say that their history is not at all an epic fail. There are 7 players there that were above average or great picks: Stoudamire, Camby, McGrady, Jamison, Bosh, Villanueva, Bargnani. That's not a bad pick history considering the short tenure of this organization. Sure, there were a couple mistakes, but every team has those in their closet.
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I feel that I have the blinders off right now (it's easy to do after a shit season), and I'll say that their history is not at all an epic fail. There are 7 players there that were above average or great picks: Stoudamire, Camby, McGrady, Jamison, Bosh, Villanueva, Bargnani. That's not a bad pick history considering the short tenure of this organization. Sure, there were a couple mistakes, but every team has those in their closet.
Could you imagine being the clippers or the trailblazers?
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Could you imagine being the clippers or the trailblazers?
The Hawks...

A team so desperate for a PG passes up on Deron and Paul for Marvin Williams?

Shelden Williams instead of Roy, Foye or Gay...
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Old 06-18-2009, 07:26 PM   #13 (permalink)
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where is the epic fail here?
considering the likes of vc, tmac, camby, Bosh and low 1st round pick of mopete, in this fairly short history for the team i'd think thats actually really good
and i didn't even factor in charlie v or bargs
2nd round picks are a pretty much luck as if you look at the good players coming from the 2nd round are pretty few and most of the teams in the league have never drafted a good player in the 2nd round and they've gone through more drafts than the raptors
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Old 06-18-2009, 08:51 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I cleary recall watching this "fat guy" from BYU in the NCAA tourney a few years back with my brother. A few months later, we're watching the draft, and my brother, out of jest and out of nowhere, suggests the Raptors should select the "fat guy" from BYU(we still didn't know his name). And what do you know; bewilderment and laughter ensued, that is until we finally got to see Rafa suit up lol. He made Big Country look like Olajuwon.
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Old 06-19-2009, 10:57 AM   #15 (permalink)
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yea, we are 4th overall in drafting all time
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