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Old 10-01-2012, 09:32 PM   #41 (permalink)
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well i rather sign him before and hope he has a great season than hope he has a ok season and get him cheaper
^ Exactly.
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Old 10-01-2012, 10:42 PM   #42 (permalink)
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thing is, if we can get him for 7-8 million, unless he has an absolutely horrid season, he'll be tradeable if need be. but if he has a great season, then we want to keep him, and we'll have to pay close to what batum is getting, hindering us on improving in other ways

and he's shown to be able to take massive strides before....
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Old 10-01-2012, 11:03 PM   #43 (permalink)
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thing is, if we can get him for 7-8 million, unless he has an absolutely horrid season, he'll be tradeable if need be. but if he has a great season, then we want to keep him, and we'll have to pay close to what batum is getting, hindering us on improving in other ways

and he's shown to be able to take massive strides before....
massive strides? Not so sure about that, but I agree, we should try and get it done for cheaper now. He's young, healthy, athletic (kinda) and it's not a contract that would become dead weight even if he doesn't fully develop like a contract for a vet/injury-prone player might.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:57 AM   #44 (permalink)
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i see him getting more than amir (6ish) and less than Bargs (9-10ish), because thats pretty much his value on the team right now
but we all know the Raptors have to overpay to sign free agents and to even keep their own players, especially guys that have "potential"
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:08 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Bryan is talking to DeMar’s agent about an extension – it has to be done by Oct. 31 – but I wonder if it’ll get done.

Or whether it should, actually.

From Bryan:

“I have spoken to his agent multiple times over the last several weeks to start to establish a dialogue, a concrete dialogue and a meaningful dialogue with respect to whether or not it’s going to work out from a timing perspective for both sides.

“We’ve also agreed that should we not come to a conclusion with respect to an extension at this time, clearly it’s not the end of the world. We may have to grow together more before that deal is imminent.”

I think it’s time for prudence and to see where DeMar goes this season before you think about locking him up for any length of time.

I like many aspects of his game but he’s got room for improvement and I’m not sure tying him up for years and years right now is prudent.

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Old 10-02-2012, 10:15 AM   #46 (permalink)
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I didn't realize he had to be extended by Oct 31. Interesting. That's a tough call.
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:12 AM   #47 (permalink)
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I am seeing maturity and growth when he speaking during his interviews.. he even straighten his teeth lol..

it's early, but I think he is ready
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:46 AM   #48 (permalink)
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DeRozan has not shown anything that would make me think he is going to get a lot of offers as an RFA. Unless the management knows something that leads them to believe he is going to have a break-through season, they should wait until summer and then decide on the course of action based on market valuation of DeRozan and a year under their belts as Raptors for Fields and Ross.
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:51 AM   #49 (permalink)
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DeRozan has not shown anything that would make me think he is going to get a lot of offers as an RFA. Unless the management knows something that leads them to believe he is going to have a break-through season, they should wait until summer and then decide on the course of action based on market valuation of DeRozan and a year under their belts as Raptors for Fields and Ross.
You'd be surprised. People can look at his FG%, athltic ability, age and think they can get him to the next level imo. I think there would be 4-5 GM's looking at him and if he has a solid year the number likely goes up. I still don't think he gets more than 8Mil/yr unless he has a "contract year" season and is better.
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His FG% has been pretty bad so far, especially for a shooting guard and especially from 3. He has also been an average defender and his athletic ability, while quite decent at a dunk contest, is rarely used in games - unlike Vince or T-Mac in their primes, DD is simply not a great in-game, in-traffic leaper or dunker.
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Old 10-02-2012, 01:09 PM   #51 (permalink)
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His FG% has been pretty bad so far, especially for a shooting guard and especially from 3. He has also been an average defender and his athletic ability, while quite decent at a dunk contest, is rarely used in games - unlike Vince or T-Mac in their primes, DD is simply not a great in-game, in-traffic leaper or dunker.
He has nearly a career 47 FG%, that's the least of his problems. I agree about the last part.
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:26 PM   #52 (permalink)
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DeRozan has done enough to earn contract extension consideration,so I have no issue with there being discussions between his agent and the Raptors surrounding that possibility. However,I feel there's no need to rush to get a deal done. Demar still needs to prove more and not locking him into that deal will ensure that he's stays hungry towards maxing out on his full potential. He's my favorite current Raptor and I believe he'll become a better back court player playing alongside Kyle Lowry
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the worst possible outcome is that a team poison pills us with a crazy contract in the last year
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:14 PM   #54 (permalink)
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I don't understand what makes people think hes worth something... He's athletic THATS IT. Can't shoot well, can't defend well, he's got about one move in his arsenal, and failed to do much of anything when he had a chance to be one of the go to guys on the team.
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I don't understand what makes people think hes worth something... He's athletic THATS IT. Can't shoot well, can't defend well, he's got about one move in his arsenal, and failed to do much of anything when he had a chance to be one of the go to guys on the team.
He's very raw, but still young. I've been hard on him in the past, but that was misplaced. I should have been harder on all of the jerks that jumped on the young gunz wagon like it was the next coming of the spice girls. All this crap about Demar, Weems, Amir and even Ed got blown up way too much. Demar can still become a good defender if he can improve his energy, lateral quickness and physicality while also having a chance to get more explosive and aggressive into the paint of offense. He's not going to be anywhere near as good as Vince was, but most here would rather have Jamario Moon anyways.

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I don't understand what makes people think hes worth something... He's athletic THATS IT. Can't shoot well, can't defend well, he's got about one move in his arsenal, and failed to do much of anything when he had a chance to be one of the go to guys on the team.
The dude has potential and he has gotten much better from when he was a rookie. His us last year was up like crazy because of injuries so teams doubled him hence the lowered fg% this year not being the primary option he will have a great year which is efficient I believe, his mid range is so much better now and his 3 got better as well give him time he is only 23
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He's very raw, but still young. I've been hard on him in the past, but that was misplaced. I should have been harder on all of the jerks that jumped on the young gunz wagon like it was the next coming of the spice girls. All this crap about Demar, Weems, Amir and even Ed got blown up way too much. Demar can still become a good defender if he can improve his energy, lateral quickness and physicality while also having a chance to get more explosive and aggressive into the paint of offense. He's not going to be anywhere near as good as Vince was, but most here would rather have Jamario Moon anyways.

not-with-standing your Jamario quip I completely agree.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:49 PM   #58 (permalink)
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The dude has potential and he has gotten much better from when he was a rookie. His us last year was up like crazy because of injuries so teams doubled him hence the lowered fg% this year not being the primary option he will have a great year which is efficient I believe, his mid range is so much better now and his 3 got better as well give him time he is only 23
I agree partly regarding his FG%, but to me his % dropped cause teams wouldn't allow him to take the ball to the rim and dared him to shoot. it's a good strategy and the Raps had no real options once Bargs went down. Though he's only .261 from 3 this past season and while it is his best so far, (it is horrendous for a SG), his mid range game has certainly improved and overall he's a .457 career shooter. I'm thinking when you have options like a healthy Bargs/Lowry and to some extent Fields, DD's FG% should go up. The key imo is Fields or LK hitting those damn 3's to space the floor.

In the end, I think people are way too hard on DD. He's not Kobe and the pieces around DD are mediocre at best (after injuries to others, etc) so to ride him cause he was 'less efficient' this year is ridiculous to me.

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Old 10-02-2012, 10:44 PM   #59 (permalink)
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In the end, I think people are way too hard on DD. He's not Kobe and the pieces around DD are mediocre at best (after injuries to others, etc) so to ride him cause he was 'less efficient' this year is ridiculous to me.
Co-sign, he has every reason and all the stars are aligned for him to have a breakout season.

Compared to Joey Graham and even Morris Peterson (who benefitted from playing with much better players) as other 1st round SG/SF picks the Raps selected in recent years, DeRozan is much further as a pro-entering his 4th year than they were.
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meh, pay him what he's worth and move on.
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