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Old 06-08-2010, 09:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The Pacers and Raptors are in the same boat as the Wolves. They would like to move up in the draft and have inquired about the Sixers' and Nets' picks. They also wouldn't mind moving out of the draft if they got the right pieces in return.
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Pacers Raptors and Wolves. Who has the most assets to move up?

I'm pretty sure its not the Raptors
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I think Raps can move up, easily.

See trade thread.



But I would hae to think they want either Turner(potential superstar) or Cousins(who they extensively interviewed recently)

To get the 2nd pick a team would only have to take on Brand, and with Bosh on the way out, Brand would actually be able to play some minutes here, especially with a pg like Jose so used to playing a 2 man game with a pf in the half court.

And if team does end up getting Bynum for Bosh, Then Brand, Barags and Bynum front court is very solid with Brand and Bynum being able to cover for each others injuries.
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Pacers Raptors and Wolves. Who has the most assets to move up?

I'm pretty sure its not the Raptors
You're surely high. I've never seen a fanbase so undervalue their teams so much in my life. We're one of the youngest teams in the league, we had a better record then both those teams and yes we have more assets then those teams. Good lord people, last summer we were drooling over this lineup and what...now we have less assets then Minnesota/Indiana??
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You're surely high. I've never seen a fanbase so undervalue their teams so much in my life. We're one of the youngest teams in the league, we had a better record then both those teams and yes we have more assets then those teams. Good lord people, last summer we were drooling over this lineup and what...now we have less assets then Minnesota/Indiana??
well minny does for sure no question and I'd say Indiana are about at par. ALso, I'm a cynic not the "fanbase". I feel the Raptors should just tear this puppy down and rebuild the old fashion way. Its hard to woo players to Toronto given their loser reputation among other things. Just tank her and collect draft picks I'd be much happier.
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For Minnesota Rubio and Love are both young assets they can move who are still on their rookie contracts making a trade easier to facilitate. Also, factor in Jefferson who teams for some reason love and is on a decent contract. I'd argue those three are really better than all of our youth right now.

Indiana can only play the let's move Granger card if they think he's not as good as he is or decide to move Hibbert who again has shown he could be a very good defensive/rebounding center and is also on a rookie contract. Therefore, it's a prized asset.

Our 'youth', with large upside, I'd argue is really only limited to DeRozan. Bargnani is in the same boat as Granger, as I think we're seeing his ceiling or close to it (not bad but worth a high pick?), Bosh can't be factored into the equation and well everyone else just isn't that great.

So yeah, Minnesota has better trading assets from a contract and even overall youth stand point.
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well minny does for sure no question and I'd say Indiana are about at par. ALso, I'm a cynic not the "fanbase". I feel the Raptors should just tear this puppy down and rebuild the old fashion way. Its hard to woo players to Toronto given their loser reputation among other things. Just tank her and collect draft picks I'd be much happier.
I'm for this too, just for the overall reason of changing the team culture.
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well minny does for sure no question and I'd say Indiana are about at par. ALso, I'm a cynic not the "fanbase". I feel the Raptors should just tear this puppy down and rebuild the old fashion way. Its hard to woo players to Toronto given their loser reputation among other things. Just tank her and collect draft picks I'd be much happier.
Yeah, that would get players clammering to play here. Lol
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Yeah, that would get players clammering to play here. Lol
Yeah, because being a mediocre treadmill team is working so well.
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Yeah, that would get players clammering to play here. Lol
See OKC or Bulls after the Jordan years. Teams that are building properly

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Yeah, because being a mediocre treadmill team is working so well.
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I'm for this too, just for the overall reason of changing the team culture.
Yup something has to be done. Need a GM that would be willing to come for the ride. Personally I like alot of BCs attributes but don't think he'd be willing to stick around for a few losing seasons. Need a 5-7 year GM that is willing to take lumps and smart. Not an easy find
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Moving up I think to get Cousins is what the Raptors had in mind if they were to move up. He's the best true 5 prospect in the draft.
The WOlves haven't hidden their intentions for Turner and would love to get their hands on the #2 pick.
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See OKC or Bulls after the Jordan years. Teams that are building properly



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Yeah, the Bulls have been great since Jordan left!? As for OKC, i love their team and i agree the've done a great job with some luck as well. But a complete rebuild here would be a difficult, long process and we'd be looking at another 3-4yrs without playoff ball. That wouldn't be pretty in this city. Rebuilding, in theory always sounds great, but not many fans have the patience to go through the ups and downs that come with that especially in this city (outside of hockey).
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The problem with Toronto is when you look at the core, you're just not sure. Like are these guys the kind of players that you could take the bank and rely on them through and through? kinda... but not really.... actually no.

Are these the pieces that you complement with certain players or are they not worth the effort?

I am not sure.
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Yeah, the Bulls have been great since Jordan left!? As for OKC, i love their team and i agree the've done a great job with some luck as well. But a complete rebuild here would be a difficult, long process and we'd be looking at another 3-4yrs without playoff ball. That wouldn't be pretty in this city. Rebuilding, in theory always sounds great, but not many fans have the patience to go through the ups and downs that come with that especially in this city (outside of hockey).
See I disagree with you here.

A rebuild, if done properly, would be successful here because the core of this fan base has become knowledgeable. We're far more in tuned with what's happening with this team and the type of players we like. We're no longer a team who's fan based is mostly comprised of 12 year olds, but a bunch of guys in our 20s and 30s who know and understand the reality of this.

As long as the rebuild team has some grit and plays hard then fans will watch. And frankly, I want playoff ball, but when we get there, I want us to have a chance. Right now, I don't know how close we are to that goal.
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Yup something has to be done. Need a GM that would be willing to come for the ride. Personally I like alot of BCs attributes but don't think he'd be willing to stick around for a few losing seasons. Need a 5-7 year GM that is willing to take lumps and smart. Not an easy find
Hey if Pritchard becomes available, I'd easily go after him. BC is the type of GM you want to come in to finish a product. Pritchard is the one you want to start a project.
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Hey if Pritchard becomes available, I'd easily go after him. BC is the type of GM you want to come in to finish a product. Pritchard is the one you want to start a project.
I also want the guy that picked a 40 year old Oden over Durant.... lol
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I also want the guy that picked a 40 year old Oden over Durant.... lol
Yup and had the foresight to trade for Roy and draft Aldridge instead of Tyrus Thomas and Adam Morrison.
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Hey if Pritchard becomes available, I'd easily go after him. BC is the type of GM you want to come in to finish a product. Pritchard is the one you want to start a project.
In many ways a trade for Pritchard and BC would be perfect.
Obviously it can't be done.
Portland is basically a finished product that requires a few finishing tweaks which BC can wheel and deal. They are likely one player away from LAL.

Pritchard was a master at collecting draft picks and in the most part turning them into crediable NBA players. His biggest failure is the health of Odom which couldn't be calculated.
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I also want the guy that picked a 40 year old Oden over Durant.... lol
Everybody's players/GM's always seem to look better to some then our own (grass is always greener), yet they've all made mistakes and have warts of their own. Portland was bad for some time and got lucky here and there and made some good moves of course. But who's to say pritchard would come here and his luck and nba reputation runs out. It's hard to change markets/ organizations and continue the magic.
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