Raps have 45 days to prove they can win
Old 10-30-2013, 03:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Though they have been loath to share it around, the Raptors have already set themselves an early deadline.

According to someone involved in the process, the current group has 45 days from the start of tomorrow’s NBA season to prove that they are not only a playoff team, but a sustainable one.

Even this season’s most optimistic performance target — squeaking into the top eight in the Eastern Conference — may not be enough.

“7-Eleven,” one source said. “That’s where you get diabetes.”

If the team does not appear viable by mid-December, they will begin to dismantle it ahead of the most promising draft class in a decade.

Bottom line — no matter how many times anyone in this organization publicly scoffs at the idea of “the tank,” it may be the undeclared marching order by Christmas.

This includes dreams of squirming underneath bottom-feeders like Philadelphia and Phoenix for the No. 1 pick.
http://www.thestar.com/sports/raptor...ght_kelly.html

Good to hear for both sides. If we start great we are going for the playoffs, if we are in no mans land, then we are blowing it up

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Old 10-30-2013, 04:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:10 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Tank nation here we come. NOV/DEC's schedule isn't kind to us, so let the tanking begin!
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Tank nation here we come. NOV/DEC's schedule isn't kind to us, so let the tanking begin!
Ye those first 22 are brutal.

9 games against teams we should be better than
Boston
Philly x2
Milwaukee
Charlotte
Utah
Denver
Phoenix
LAL

11 games against Great Teams
Miami x2
Indiana
Houston
Memphis
Chicago x2
Portland
Brooklyn
Golden State
San Antonio

2 games against teams in similar positions as us
Atlanta
Washington

If we can get all 9 of the teams we should be better than, both games against atl and wash. that would make us 11-11. We would need to win I think at least 4 of the games from teams that are better than us. Best bet is wins against Indiana, Memphis, 1 against Chicago, and Portland
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:25 PM   #6 (permalink)
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The fear with that being that if we don't win all nine against the teams you say are better than us, we could be looking at 8-14 or so.
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The fear with that being that if we don't win all nine against the teams you say are better than us, we could be looking at 8-14 or so.
You mean teams I said we are better than right? And well it needs to be compensated another way then. We need I think a 14-8 or 15-7 record for Masai to not blow this up. I Dont think a 12-10 or 13-9 team will do it.
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:34 PM   #8 (permalink)
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an interesting perspective:

Freakonomics Losing Is Not a Winning Strategy in the NBA

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Proponents of “tanking” dream of such number one picks as Shaquille O’Neal or LeBron James. Each of these players were selected number one and went on to win multiple NBA titles. Of course, other number one picks – like Yao Ming, Michael Olowokandi, Allen Iverson, Joe Smith, Glenn Robinson, Chris Webber, Larry Johnson, etc. – played their entire careers and never won an NBA title.
Despite this list, fans of the NBA’s losers still have dreams that success in the NBA lottery will lead to title contention and an NBA championship in the future. But is this likely to happen? About a year ago, I offered the concept of the “lottery treadmill” in an effort to understand how title contenders are built. Now I want to address what happens to teams that are not contenders.
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In sum, a team that is mediocre is much more likely to contend in the near future than a loser. And that means if your team is actually trying to build a loser (i.e. avoid the mediocrity treadmill), they are reducing their chances to contend.
Now some might argue that this next draft is different. This next draft is supposed to have such players as Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, and Julius Randle. Each of these players are supposed to be stars. Of course, such players have only “starred” so far in high school. So it is possible that these players will not excel in college or the NBA.
But let’s imagine these players are like LeBron. It is important to remember that LeBron never won a title with the teams that acquired his services on draft night. In fact, in the lottery era (since 1985) only the San Antonio Spurs (with David Robinson and Tim Duncan) have drafted a player number one and won a title with that player. Every other number one pick failed to bring a title to the team that “won” the lottery.
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I think this is something we all already knew.. if the raps start off slow, then they are going to blow it up
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:38 PM   #10 (permalink)
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You mean teams I said we are better than right? And well it needs to be compensated another way then. We need I think a 14-8 or 15-7 record for Masai to not blow this up. I Dont think a 12-10 or 13-9 team will do it.
I did, thank you.


And I agree. Masai isn't a moron and won't let a one game over .500 record decide the teams fate.
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If they are about .500 I would be surprised to see them blow it up. There will be a trade or trades. but with a very different purpose to blowing it up per se, but rather to ensure the chance to edge closer yet to contending. I still see a 2 year window before Ujuri has to feel really good about having a chance to contend. He's not going to just stop considering a multitude of options he has in his mind over that time period if there are good signs in play, precisely because he isn't a moron and can see four or five moves down the road without needing to resort to simplistic ideas of doing his job on automatic pilot where ping pong balls do most of the work for him.
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If they are about .500 I would be surprised to see them blow it up. There will be a trade or trades. but with a very different purpose to blowing it up per se, but rather to ensure the chance to edge closer yet to contending. I still see a 2 year window before Ujuri has to feel really good about having a chance to contend. He's not going to just stop considering a multitude of options he has in his mind over that time period if there are good signs in play, precisely because he isn't a moron and can see four or five moves down the road without needing to resort to simplistic ideas of doing his job on automatic pilot where ping pong balls do most of the work for him.
The link says "sustainable playoff team" so I doubt that includes being around .500, we've heard time and time again that Leiweke dislikes 7-11 and being around .500 is right in that frame.

And I agree he isn't going to just drop everything once the time period is up but he will definitely make a lot of observations during the first month and a half and will almost certainly make moves within the following month based on what he sees.
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You mean teams I said we are better than right? And well it needs to be compensated another way then. We need I think a 14-8 or 15-7 record for Masai to not blow this up. I Dont think a 12-10 or 13-9 team will do it.
Lol when did you ever see an above .500 team get blown up midseason?
You guys keep amazing me.
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Old 10-30-2013, 06:04 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Depends on the first 6-8 weeks. pretty simple
Said this last week, it's pretty obvious that this roster and DC are on borrowed time starting now and if they struggle moves will be made.
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I'd still take Cleveland with LeBron for 7 years even without a title over our current team ...
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Old 10-30-2013, 06:28 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I don't agree with the freakonomics article. Just an interesting interesting perspective.
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Old 10-30-2013, 07:04 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Yea winning title is awesome, but I would be ecstatic if we could reach level of GSW, OKC etc.
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My worry with waiting is, say we go 10-12 or something and he blows it up, it's doubtful we can then lose enough to catch philly or Phoenix.
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My worry with waiting is, say we go 10-12 or something and he blows it up, it's doubtful we can then lose enough to catch philly or Phoenix.
If we trade lowry and gay. That would mean a line up of DJ, DD, Fields, Amir, JV. That isnt going to win you many if any games.
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