Random thought

**Belsius** · 03-06-2009, 10:27 PM

-Raptors bring TJ Ford. He plays well, but Calderon starts playing really well too. We have the best PG duo in the NBA. Tj gets injured and has a condition wich makes it difficult to put a lot of faith on him. Our weakest position is the C. We trade him to cover it.

-We get a JO and suddenly Bargs starts playing well, so we are stacked at the C position but we are short on PGs because of Caldes injury and Roko is not prepared. Our SFs are terrible because Moon failed to play up to his potential.

-SOOO we trade for SF to develop Bargs. We bring Marion and suddenly Graham starts to play decently and we have this new guy (Pop) who might be pretty decent (One game doesnt proof anything though). Now we are really short on bigs and more or less stacked at SF.

I dont know if I have explained myself correctly, Is it bad luck?, cant we trust the talent of our players? Theres clearly a pattern here. Every time we try to fix a hole in this team appears one even bigger.

Gurk · 03-06-2009, 10:31 PM

There is only one reason for this.....we suck

iRaptor · 03-06-2009, 10:32 PM

honestly do it like me, i don't really care anymore theres nothing to talk about lol. we do suck like what else is there to talk about

**Belsius** · 03-06-2009, 10:37 PM

Its more complicate than "we suck". If this situations keep happening, shouldnt the coaching stuff be responsible for it? not only the players?

Gurk · 03-06-2009, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belsius

Its more complicate than "we suck". If this situations keep happening, shouldnt the coaching stuff be responsible for it? not only the players?

LOL I was joking but what you said does make sense. Also, I would guess its the players faults as well for not putting 100% effort all the time

Nites · 03-06-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Gurk

LOL I was joking but what you said does make sense. Also, I would guess its the players faults as well for not putting 100% effort all the time

Especially in the third quarter. Not including POPS though hes cool.

jeaxz · 03-06-2009, 11:01 PM

its alright, i am here to watch the guys develop. I still love the Raptors.

03-06-2009, 11:08 PM

We've tried everything but getting rid of AP.

Calderon is awful on defence, and AP is too old and not quick enough laterally to gaurd anyone under 30. If we do want to keep Calderon, we're going to need a guy like artest to cover him on the court.

For the last few games I've noticed that when we have Calderon, Parker, and Kapono on at the same time... i dont know what the +/- is but i think something like -30.

LX · 03-06-2009, 11:28 PM

The two spot really hurts, especially with Jose's downturn. The backcourt is the major constant in terms of weakness. Kapono simply has to go, and Parker needs to be relied on much less to be more effective.

I do have to say that I question the actual randomness of the thought Bel. But then - is there even really such a thing? There are random fragments of thoughts, but if they remain as such they never qualify as thoughts.

Shit - here I am on Friday night.

Ugo Ferst · 03-06-2009, 11:34 PM

our weakest position wasnt the C, it was the wings, i rather have kept rasho and his expiring and roll the dice with AB to address it, you just cant be a serious team in the nba with your best wing being Moon or Kapono

Krazy Ivan · 03-06-2009, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugo Ferst

our weakest position wasnt the C, it was the wings, i rather have kept rasho and his expiring and roll the dice with AB to address it, you just cant be a serious team in the nba with your best wing being Moon or Kapono

And it seems with Marion as well.

Ugo Ferst · 03-06-2009, 11:36 PM

so basically im saying, it's not bad luck, it's not bad coaching, it's a badly built team full of very apparent flaws that can never seem to get filled properly. It's all on BC's door at the end of the day, and it smells like a big stinky bag of do do

LX · 03-06-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Krazy Ivan

And it seems with Marion as well.

Marion's alright. He's still suffering from the flu right now, seeing him in scrums and even during the game, he looks completely under the weather. And he still had a good impact.

iRaptor · 03-06-2009, 11:46 PM

I'm watching the Denver vs Utah game (Utah at home). And they are down by 20 and the crowed it still cheering them on. i wish i could see that in the ACC.

Krazy Ivan · 03-06-2009, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iRaptor

I'm watching the Denver vs Utah game (Utah at home). And they are down by 20 and the crowed it still cheering them on. i wish i could see that in the ACC.

Once Raps play as well as Utah for a season or two you'll see it... not before.

TORaptor4Ever · 03-07-2009, 07:36 AM

I wouldn't say that we're "stacked" at the SF spot... not at all.

We have Joey (who also plays the 2) and we have Marion. That's it.

I agree with you about the rest though.... shitty, shitty luck.

Hard to feel sorry for BC though when he could have sewn up our 2-spot for the next few years with Roy.

TORaptor4Ever · 03-07-2009, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iRaptor

I'm watching the Denver vs Utah game (Utah at home). And they are down by 20 and the crowed it still cheering them on. i wish i could see that in the ACC.

Have you seen the effort that Utah puts out on a nightly basis?

kg1585 · 03-07-2009, 07:50 AM

I really think the Raps need a scorer on the wing and they can be a very good team, maybe not elite, but definitely top 4 in the east.

03-06-2009, 10:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
Belsius is a paranoid android My name is Iñigo Montoya Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 10,493 Representing:	Random thought -Raptors bring TJ Ford. He plays well, but Calderon starts playing really well too. We have the best PG duo in the NBA. Tj gets injured and has a condition wich makes it difficult to put a lot of faith on him. Our weakest position is the C. We trade him to cover it. -We get a JO and suddenly Bargs starts playing well, so we are stacked at the C position but we are short on PGs because of Caldes injury and Roko is not prepared. Our SFs are terrible because Moon failed to play up to his potential. -SOOO we trade for SF to develop Bargs. We bring Marion and suddenly Graham starts to play decently and we have this new guy (Pop) who might be pretty decent (One game doesnt proof anything though). Now we are really short on bigs and more or less stacked at SF. I dont know if I have explained myself correctly, Is it bad luck?, cant we trust the talent of our players? Theres clearly a pattern here. Every time we try to fix a hole in this team appears one even bigger.

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03-06-2009, 10:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
Gurk is one sexy motherfucker you ain't bout that life Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,682 Representing:	There is only one reason for this.....we suck

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iRaptor is bored. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,032 Representing:	honestly do it like me, i don't really care anymore theres nothing to talk about lol. we do suck like what else is there to talk about

03-06-2009, 10:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
Belsius is a paranoid android My name is Iñigo Montoya Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 10,493 Representing:	Its more complicate than "we suck". If this situations keep happening, shouldnt the coaching stuff be responsible for it? not only the players?

03-06-2009, 11:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
jeaxz is pounding the rock! [T.O.P] Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 391 Representing:	its alright, i am here to watch the guys develop. I still love the Raptors.

03-06-2009, 11:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
Bmats7 is pounding the rock! (Edit) Guest Posts: n/a Representing:	We've tried everything but getting rid of AP. Calderon is awful on defence, and AP is too old and not quick enough laterally to gaurd anyone under 30. If we do want to keep Calderon, we're going to need a guy like artest to cover him on the court. For the last few games I've noticed that when we have Calderon, Parker, and Kapono on at the same time... i dont know what the +/- is but i think something like -30.

03-06-2009, 11:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
LX is a belly putter in a world of crotch shots In the Paint Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 23,394 Representing:	The two spot really hurts, especially with Jose's downturn. The backcourt is the major constant in terms of weakness. Kapono simply has to go, and Parker needs to be relied on much less to be more effective. I do have to say that I question the actual randomness of the thought Bel. But then - is there even really such a thing? There are random fragments of thoughts, but if they remain as such they never qualify as thoughts. Shit - here I am on Friday night.

03-06-2009, 11:34 PM	#10 (permalink)
Ugo Ferst is pounding the rock! Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,312 Representing:	our weakest position wasnt the C, it was the wings, i rather have kept rasho and his expiring and roll the dice with AB to address it, you just cant be a serious team in the nba with your best wing being Moon or Kapono

03-06-2009, 11:36 PM	#12 (permalink)
Ugo Ferst is pounding the rock! Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,312 Representing:	so basically im saying, it's not bad luck, it's not bad coaching, it's a badly built team full of very apparent flaws that can never seem to get filled properly. It's all on BC's door at the end of the day, and it smells like a big stinky bag of do do

03-06-2009, 11:46 PM	#14 (permalink)
iRaptor is bored. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,032 Representing:	I'm watching the Denver vs Utah game (Utah at home). And they are down by 20 and the crowed it still cheering them on. i wish i could see that in the ACC.

03-07-2009, 07:36 AM	#16 (permalink)
TORaptor4Ever is embracing change Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 15,063 Representing:	I wouldn't say that we're "stacked" at the SF spot... not at all. We have Joey (who also plays the 2) and we have Marion. That's it. I agree with you about the rest though.... shitty, shitty luck. Hard to feel sorry for BC though when he could have sewn up our 2-spot for the next few years with Roy.

03-07-2009, 07:50 AM	#18 (permalink)
kg1585 is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: B-Town Posts: 547 Representing:	I really think the Raps need a scorer on the wing and they can be a very good team, maybe not elite, but definitely top 4 in the east.