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Old 02-13-2009, 08:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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first off, i hate BC

he must have no appreciation or understanding of the value of using the draft for young players with manageable contracts. he's been here three seasons and already managed to trade away two 1st and 2nd rounders. if he keeps this up, we're going to have to continue hoping on players like will solomon to fill key reservist roles.

we're not phoenix. we cannot bank on bettering ourselves thru free agency. unless your plan is to reach over to europe, we're going to have to overpay talent to convince them to play here. with that, our expiring contracts come june are far less valuable expiring on our laps.

Roko at the two. i like it. my concern is whether someone will be able to create offense for him like he can for himself. i remember reading this as one of his weaknesses while in europe. if he needs to the ball to be productive, he won't work beside jose. i'm hoping triano takes that chance and at least tries playing him more and involving him in the offense.

the draft. please don't a) reach b) sell c) go project. hopefully we won't be this low again in the future. we cannot afford to fuck it up. if you like someone available mid-draft, get another pick or trade our current for multiples! utilize the draft! get the fans excited!

onto another draft note - i'm not huge on any of the wings so far.

free agency

if i were BC, i'd force the hawks hand with marvin williams so we could sign childress without having to worry about them matching. if we end up with marvin, that's swell - but childress will be far more affordable and enable us to try and sign another MLE worthy player. re-signing marion? not a big fan of him. 8 million or bust. there's very little market out there for him.

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He traded Hibbert and 2 seconds which gave us Delfino.
Thats not bad.
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Old 02-13-2009, 09:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
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All this Roko at the 2 guard spot stuff is baffling to me. He's had one 20+ point game and now he's our next great scorer? Unless his jumper gets a hell of a lot more consistent he shouldn't get a sniff at the 2. He will be much better at the point, pushing the ball and hopefully tossing alley-oops to the likes of Marion. They'll have to play much more up-tempo in order for this current line-up to have success.
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Old 02-13-2009, 09:18 PM   #4 (permalink)
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roko at the 2 for a couple of reasons

roko playing the off-guard would relieve defensive pressure on jose

it gives us someone who can create off the dribble

and most importantly, playing time

snooch, it is that bad. he has a history beyond us.
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Old 02-13-2009, 09:33 PM   #6 (permalink)
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roko at the 2 for a couple of reasons

roko playing the off-guard would relieve defensive pressure on jose

it gives us someone who can create off the dribble

and most importantly, playing time

snooch, it is that bad. he has a history beyond us.
shouldn't the guy who has SG beside his name in the starting line up be able to...you know, shoot?

As for the rest of your master plan, you do realize that just because you devise some great plan on you rmessage board, the chances of all the events you need to have, INCLUDING all the decisions, wants and needs of the other 30 or so team in the league, fall nto place perfecly. If you are a GM, you cannot just sit back and say, "well, now were gonna do this this and this and were set, wonderful, see you in june, cup of tea???"

You guys simplify everything to suit your needs, its funny because basically you just demean a professional Basketball management guy to the point where you are basically saying he is an idiot with less expertise than yourselves, a bunch of fannatic nerds on a messageboard that don't have a fucking clue what the real deal is, and never will

no offence, but really, what do you think you know that any NBA gm doesn't?
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shouldn't the guy who has SG beside his name in the starting line up be able to...you know, shoot?
Sure... kinda same as the guy who plays Left Wing should shoot left. It's just a name.
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ya ok.

except perhaps you oughtta read the last 600000 posts on here with guys complainng about our wings not being able to score.

you wanna compete, Roko Ukic as your 2 guard aint getting it done
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i never said roko start. i said roko at the two.

if he's surrounded by shooters, which the Raptors are, having someone who can get inside and take a player off the dribble is far more valuable than someone who can ummm stand around and shoot.

no offense, but an average fan knows this shit.
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ya ok.

except perhaps you oughtta read the last 600000 posts on here with guys complainng about our wings not being able to score.

you wanna compete, Roko Ukic as your 2 guard aint getting it done
+1
no way roko is our starting 2 guard.
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ya ok.

except perhaps you oughtta read the last 600000 posts on here with guys complainng about our wings not being able to score.

you wanna compete, Roko Ukic as your 2 guard aint getting it done
the problem with the wings, from my perspective, is that they play(ed) the entire game from the perimeter. we need someone who can take it to the hole. i'm not saying Roko should or should not be our SG, but if he's not, it shouldn't be because he isn't a good enough shooter. we have plenty of guys who can shoot.
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Old 02-13-2009, 10:04 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I'd like to get Childress.
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Sigh, first off, Roko is not that bad of a shooter. His numbers in Europe showed that he was an adequate shooter.

Secondly, and just for comparison sake, many said Dwayne Wade couldn't shoot when he came into the L. Well, has that really hurt him at all? His ability to get to the basket helped him. He worked on his mid range game and that really propelled him. If Roko EVER develops a good mid range game, then I don't care where we play him. Right now, he's the only player looking to attack the basket and he really gets there with easy. He needs to learn how to finish strong. Also, he's an impressive defender for a rookie. He needs to get burn and allow him to develop into the 7th man I eventually see him. Hell, and saying Roko at the 2 won't get it done. Well, how many saw Barea in Dallas starting last season? He worked hard on his game and well, he's getting it done for Dallas.

I still say Marvin Williams is the one guy I really target. I like his game alot and what he could still become. If we fail, then Childress easily becomes target number 2 and he'd likely come with a reasonable contract. If BC does play his cards right, he could still leave enough room throughout the year to add pieces as they become available.
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Old 02-13-2009, 10:42 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Sigh, first off, Roko is not that bad of a shooter. His numbers in Europe showed that he was an adequate shooter.

Secondly, and just for comparison sake, many said Dwayne Wade couldn't shoot when he came into the L. Well, has that really hurt him at all? His ability to get to the basket helped him. He worked on his mid range game and that really propelled him. If Roko EVER develops a good mid range game, then I don't care where we play him. Right now, he's the only player looking to attack the basket and he really gets there with easy. He needs to learn how to finish strong. Also, he's an impressive defender for a rookie. He needs to get burn and allow him to develop into the 7th man I eventually see him. Hell, and saying Roko at the 2 won't get it done. Well, how many saw Barea in Dallas starting last season? He worked hard on his game and well, he's getting it done for Dallas.

I still say Marvin Williams is the one guy I really target. I like his game alot and what he could still become. If we fail, then Childress easily becomes target number 2 and he'd likely come with a reasonable contract. If BC does play his cards right, he could still leave enough room throughout the year to add pieces as they become available.

Roko isnt strong enough to play the sg.

Marvin is a nice player but I cant see us getting him this offseason.

I can honestly see a good draft pick, delfino, ap and marion all brought back.
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Roko isnt strong enough to play the sg.

Marvin is a nice player but I cant see us getting him this offseason.

I can honestly see a good draft pick, delfino, ap and marion all brought back.
Snooch, I love ya and all, but he can play the SG. Trust me. Not start there, but receive minutes there yes. I swear, alot of you guys over think this game when in all reality, it's just basketball where more than anything pride drives you.

I'd be willing to be the farm we make an offer to Marvin and I'd argue that's why this trade was even made in the first place. Yes, he is restricted, but Atlanta's ownership is still a mess. Hell, they almost lost Josh Smith in the offseason. I see Delfino being traded, or his rights, this trade deadline actually and AP going back to Europe. Also, I can see BC targeting Odom because of his versatility.
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I'd say that using Ukic and Wade in the same sentence is grounds for a good solid .....



followed by a public.......



ending with a much needed .......



Come on man, have ya gone mad????
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shouldn't the guy who has SG beside his name in the starting line up be able to...you know, shoot?

As for the rest of your master plan, you do realize that just because you devise some great plan on you rmessage board, the chances of all the events you need to have, INCLUDING all the decisions, wants and needs of the other 30 or so team in the league, fall nto place perfecly. If you are a GM, you cannot just sit back and say, "well, now were gonna do this this and this and were set, wonderful, see you in june, cup of tea???"

You guys simplify everything to suit your needs, its funny because basically you just demean a professional Basketball management guy to the point where you are basically saying he is an idiot with less expertise than yourselves, a bunch of fannatic nerds on a messageboard that don't have a fucking clue what the real deal is, and never will

no offence, but really, what do you think you know that any NBA gm doesn't?
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I'd say that using Ukic and Wade in the same sentence is grounds for a good solid .....



followed by a public.......



ending with a much needed .......



Come on man, have ya gone mad????
C'mon, you know I wasn't saying they're the same at all. What I'm saying is that neither could shoot when they were rooks. Wade obviously has more talent, that's given. I'm saying that being a good shooter has nothing to do with playing the SG spot effectively. As long as you can get to the rim and have an adequate shot you'll be fine.

I should've spelt this out.
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You know, you can learn to shoot.

But you have to shoot like 3000 shots a day, and you have to have a coach to train you, and you have to be disciplined.
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Oh yeah. It's all about committment. Roko strikes me as the guy who knows it's a flaw in his game and wants to succeed. And not even just shoot 3000 shots, but make 3000 shots a day.

I want him to have more of a mid range game rather than a long range game. His speed could be utilized easily for the quick pull up. Hell, he'd be the one guy on this squad then that could actually hurt teams with a mid range in conjunction with Bosh. Everyone else here loves the 3 too much.
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