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View Poll Results: Which Side are you on headed towards the Dec. 15 deadline
Team Tank 34 37.36%
Team Playoffs 30 32.97%
Go with the flow 27 29.67%
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Old 11-25-2013, 06:36 PM   #161 (permalink)
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People aren't being negative, they are being realistic. This Eastern conference is actually far worse than the 06-07 season, and that is saying something. This team is not good, we know that. They don't have a top 20 player, they have a bad coach, and the only guy who isn't in his prime is Jonas Valanciunas (who has been underwhelming in light of Casey's treatment of him).

Continue to believe in dignity and "staying positive" like some preschool teacher. The NBA is a BUSINESS. Right now the Raptors are playing the game of a perennial loser, the game they have played since Carter missed that shot in 2001.

But keep believing in positive thinking. Keep thinking that it elevates you somehow as a fan compared to the realists here. It doesn't, and all your attitude does is enable the inept management of this organization to keep shoveling shit down the throats of the fans of this city.

When the Raptors are staring at a mid-1st round pick, a 1st round playoff exit, and another decade of mediocrity then you can take that moment to be proud of yourself. It must take incredible courage to be so dignified in the face of us naysayers.:mattyd:
Ugh. I'm the last person that is a proponent of positive thinking. Show me where you see me suggesting positive thinking is in any way relevant. Please.

Please mr realist. How are you so certain of these results that you do not suggest could happen, but will happen, right up to a decade of mediocrity? Are you dudes all part of a cult? If not then you all need to avoid contact with any, because you are all prime for drinking the kool-aid.

I'm done going down this rabbit hole for a while again. Sadly it does take courage, because it goes nowhere. The same bs gets rehashed every three minutes no matter what. Carry on with your realism then and be proud yourself.

Just know i can accept your viewpoint - it's just the horrible way it is presented that is so problematic. Constantly trying to lay claims to superior logic, reason, and a sense of realism is ridiculous, and a sure sign faulty thinking. If there is logic, reason, and realism it will shine through without any claim needing to be made. And i personally find that what makes it shine through is a sense of balance, proportion, and a recognition of other possibilities rather than a desperate clinging to certainties. I have no idea how this season will turn out, let alone the next decade, and i find that truly wonderful. I can honestly say "LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!!" while hoping for the best one way or another and feeling the sting of disappointments when they occur.

Finally, it's truly frightening that you think i should be ashamed when i stand facing the certainty of your dismal realism, as if i have anything, ANYTHING, to do with what happens with this team. You are the one trying to elevate me, so you can cut me down. That is not coming from me. Please. Get real already.
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Old 11-26-2013, 12:13 AM   #162 (permalink)
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what's objective about insisting that only bad things can happen here? Nobody doubts that bad things could happen. We've all lived through it enough. But that doesn't preclude some luck, and some good management, and ownership that operates from a very different position, from steering things in a very different direction for once. And when there is some evidence of that happening it's even less objective to insist that somehow that evidence is just putting us behind the 8 ball.

The O6-O7 season has been referenced here as the cautionary tale, as though history is surely repeating. Bullshit. That's not the least bit realistic or objective. That's just wanting to be negative. Very different situation. A lot could have been made of the team from that point. Ownership and management settled for less, and there was a lot of bad luck. I don't see that happening again. Not at this point anyway. It could happen - and I would have no problem with that being suggested. Instead I see a lot of crap about anything else happening being unlikely, extremely unlikely, or simply not happening. And I call bullshit.
One of the best posts in a while, at least in my opinion:

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it was a simple question, just trying to figure out if people don't want to tank because it's not the proper way to build, or because it doesn't work. I think it's a pretty important question that wasn't really asked before.

The reason being that, as the team's fortunes go, the crowd that is against tanking because it's not effective, it will probably reverse course, while those who truly believe tanking doesn't work period, should stick to their guns. It basically forces you to lay your cards on the table and show what you believe in.

I am pro-tanking this season precisely because I think it has the best chance to succeed given the quality of the draft. I don't believe tanking is the ONLY way and I definitely think there are times when it's not worth it (say last season for example).

I also think tanking is a horrible concept, but it's a rational one. It goes against sports and basically ruins the season for fans like me who believe it's the best way to win a title (vs winning every game you can). However, until the rules change, it's am acceptable tactic that's part of the game.

All teams make decisions that make sense long term, but result in losing games short term, even teams like SAS or Miami that rest players in certain games, trying to conserve them for the final - that's sacrificing short term wins for long term success as well. Tanking is the same thing applied to an entire season - you sacrifice now for tomorrow."

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Old 11-26-2013, 12:16 AM   #163 (permalink)
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* The go with the flow is like a cop-out. We are all going with the flow because there's nothing we can do to change things and we all will have to just wait and see what happens.
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Old 11-26-2013, 12:20 AM   #164 (permalink)
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* The go with the flow is like a cop-out. We are all going with the flow because there's nothing we can do to change things and we all will have to just wait and see what happens.
doesn't that make it the obvious choice then? :klow:
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Old 11-26-2013, 12:27 AM   #165 (permalink)
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doesn't that make it the obvious choice then? :klow:
The easy or convenient choice is not always the best one.
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Old 11-26-2013, 12:49 AM   #166 (permalink)
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The easy or convenient choice is not always the best one.
the best choice is the one you agree with
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Old 11-26-2013, 12:59 AM   #167 (permalink)
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the best choice is the one you agree with
true but that option which we are talking about is just meh, let's see what happens.
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Old 11-26-2013, 01:03 AM   #168 (permalink)
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true but that option which we are talking about is just meh, let's see what happens.
which is exactly what every one of us will do, no matter box you check
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Old 11-26-2013, 01:29 AM   #169 (permalink)
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which is exactly what every one of us will do, no matter box you check
exactly, so why is that an option?
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exactly, so why is that an option?
because masai has been preaching it the whole time.
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Old 11-26-2013, 01:58 AM   #171 (permalink)
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because masai has been preaching it the whole time.
I hope MU is proactive at some point in either dealing to improve the team by dealing with a team who wants to get worse or the opposite scenario.

Also, apparently you're very social
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I hope MU is proactive at some point in either dealing to improve the team by dealing with a team who wants to get worse or the opposite scenario.

Also, apparently you're very social
Ye something needs to be done for sure. This current team cannot stay intact. and haha sure am :P Follow @raptorsforum and like the fb page
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Updated, still in 4th lol
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Old 11-27-2013, 05:29 PM   #174 (permalink)
and that's the bottom line, cause JV said so!!!

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Big night tonight. If Philly wins, we'll be knocked out of the division lead and our playoff spot for the time being.
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Old 12-03-2013, 01:17 AM   #175 (permalink)
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Updated, we can easily free fall once the atlantic picks up

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Old 12-03-2013, 01:56 AM   #176 (permalink)
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Damn, that is really close.



As of right now: 27 for Team Tank, 27 for Team Playoffs and 26 for Go with the flow
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Damn, that is really close.



As of right now: 27 for Team Tank, 27 for Team Playoffs and 26 for Go with the flow
Yeah, we know......it's right at the top of the page. Hard to miss. :mu:
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Old 12-03-2013, 11:26 AM   #178 (permalink)
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Well guys.. I'm all for team tank, but considering how bad are division is lol.. heck lets go playoffs
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After today, the Raptors fall to 10th and are only 3 games from last place. I am very tempted to start the tank standings but will hold off till the 15th
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Old 12-04-2013, 07:17 AM   #180 (permalink)
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Evidently the tank is too clutch to let us win any games
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