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Team Tank 34 37.36%
Team Playoffs 30 32.97%
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Old 11-23-2013, 10:04 PM   #121 (permalink)
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I wonder if anybody would change their opinion now that D-Rose is gone for the year, and with the NYK and Brooklyn struggling.

I'm on "team playoffs". I think it would bring a sense of energy back to the city, and IMO, winning breeds winning.

I understand the tankers out there, I do, I just think that Ujiri could turn this thing around without having to go through another couple of years of being absolutely mediocre.

We are not a perfect team at all, but at the start of the year, I think the goal was to just "stay afloat" for the first part of the season until the schedule turned around. Now, with the division the way it is, I can see real potential for this team.

This is going back a few years ago, and I may be confusing the teams, but I think it was Chicago vs. the Celtics' big 3. I think it was a 2/7 or a 3/6 matchup and the Bulls were right at about .500 and nobody gave them a chance. I remember the series going to 7, and the hype around it. Since then, the Bulls have been a great team. I think this team has the potential to get to the playoffs, and all's it takes would be a couple of wins, and that may help this team take some steps forward.
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Old 11-23-2013, 10:59 PM   #122 (permalink)
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It's already too late to tank, may as well go for it now.
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Old 11-24-2013, 01:39 AM   #123 (permalink)
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I wonder if anybody would change their opinion now that D-Rose is gone for the year, and with the NYK and Brooklyn struggling.

I'm on "team playoffs". I think it would bring a sense of energy back to the city, and IMO, winning breeds winning.

I understand the tankers out there, I do, I just think that Ujiri could turn this thing around without having to go through another couple of years of being absolutely mediocre.

We are not a perfect team at all, but at the start of the year, I think the goal was to just "stay afloat" for the first part of the season until the schedule turned around. Now, with the division the way it is, I can see real potential for this team.

This is going back a few years ago, and I may be confusing the teams, but I think it was Chicago vs. the Celtics' big 3. I think it was a 2/7 or a 3/6 matchup and the Bulls were right at about .500 and nobody gave them a chance. I remember the series going to 7, and the hype around it. Since then, the Bulls have been a great team. I think this team has the potential to get to the playoffs, and all's it takes would be a couple of wins, and that may help this team take some steps forward.
the difference is chicago got rose in the draft. A closer example to us would be Atlanta's team who gradually improved until they plateaud. It all comes down to this, without stars you can't win and you can't get them but through the draft. I have no doubt that masai can turn this team into a perpetual 50 win team, and in a weak eastern conference, it may be good enough to even make a conference final in the odd year. But there is NO CHANCE imo we ever win a title without drafting a top 10-15 players in the draft. Which is nearly impossible outside the top 10 and very rare outside of the top 3-4.
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Old 11-24-2013, 07:06 AM   #124 (permalink)
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Just that we don't get to draft Wiggins doesn't mean he'll never play for us...
Of the, say, 10 projected stars in the upcoming draft, it's highly likely about 3 of them will be busts, and 5 of them might be switching teams within 3 years.

It happens all the time. You have the advantage that you'll always be Wiggins' hometown. Not having a high pick is not the end of the world.
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Old 11-24-2013, 08:27 AM   #125 (permalink)
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the difference is chicago got rose in the draft. A closer example to us would be Atlanta's team who gradually improved until they plateaud. It all comes down to this, without stars you can't win and you can't get them but through the draft. I have no doubt that masai can turn this team into a perpetual 50 win team, and in a weak eastern conference, it may be good enough to even make a conference final in the odd year. But there is NO CHANCE imo we ever win a title without drafting a top 10-15 players in the draft. Which is nearly impossible outside the top 10 and very rare outside of the top 3-4.
Yeah, and Chicago got Rose with the 9th pick. Indiana got Paul George at 10. At this point, whether we trade Gay or even other pieces come December 15th, I think so many teams are in the dumps that it's not worth full on tanking anymore. Ride out this season and play for home court for once. Wouldn't it be nice to win a playoff series?
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Old 11-24-2013, 11:38 AM   #126 (permalink)
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never seen the board split so evenly,
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Old 11-24-2013, 11:54 AM   #127 (permalink)
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Yeah, and Chicago got Rose with the 9th pick. Indiana got Paul George at 10. At this point, whether we trade Gay or even other pieces come December 15th, I think so many teams are in the dumps that it's not worth full on tanking anymore. Ride out this season and play for home court for once. Wouldn't it be nice to win a playoff series?
That's not how I remember it...


Also, When it's mid-March and playoff teams have their shit together chemistry-wise and the trade deadline has passed, and this team is steadily dropping out of the playoffs, I don't think a series win will be in anyone's mind.
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Old 11-24-2013, 11:59 AM   #128 (permalink)
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never seen the board split so evenly,
someone needs to vote for playoffs and it will be 25/25/25
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Old 11-24-2013, 12:01 PM   #129 (permalink)
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D. Rose knee
Andrea Bargnani's heart
the Brooklyn Net's age
Cleveland's high pick, low success core
Milwaukee's underachieving
super-tank teams.....

There might not be enough time for teams to straighten out before "the decision". If we are in 4-7th, I'm thinking tank is unlikely. Just hope it doesn't come back to bite us in the end like the year Chris Bosh broke his face and we just missed the playoffs. One of the rationales then was that they sat in 4th so no need to make any moves. Ultimate burn would be Knicks and/or Nets and/or Lakers finding their way into the top 5 in the draft.

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2013-2014 Conference Regular Season Standings
Eastern Conference
Eastern W L PCT
Indiana1 12 1 0.923
Miami2 10 3 0.769
Atlanta3 8 6 0.571
Toronto4 6 7 0.462
Chicago5 6 5 0.545
Charlotte6 7 7 0.500
Philadelph 7 6 0.400
Washingtn 8 5 0.385
Detroit 4 8 0.333
Boston 5 10 0.333
Orlando 4 8 0.333
Cleveland 4 10 0.286
New York 3 9 0.250
Brooklyn 3 9 0.250
Milwaukee 2 10 0.167
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someone needs to vote for playoffs and it will be 25/25/25
A lot of the votes came before the season started and I think there are more tank supporters now than at that time.
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Old 11-24-2013, 12:10 PM   #131 (permalink)
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D. Rose knee
Andrea Bargnani's heart
the Brooklyn Net's age
Cleveland's high pick, low success core
Milwaukee's underachieving
super-tank teams.....

There might not be enough time for teams to straighten out before "the decision". If we are in 4-7th, I'm thinking tank is unlikely. Just hope it doesn't come back to bite us in the end like the year Chris Bosh broke his face and we just missed the playoffs. One of the rationales then was that they sat in 4th so no need to make any moves. Ultimate burn would be Knicks and/or Nets and/or Lakers finding their way into the top 5 in the draft.

STANDINGS

2013-2014 Conference Regular Season Standings
Eastern Conference
Eastern W L PCT
Indiana1 12 1 0.923
Miami2 10 3 0.769
Atlanta3 8 6 0.571
Toronto4 6 7 0.462
Chicago5 6 5 0.545
Charlotte6 7 7 0.500
Philadelph 7 6 0.400
Washingtn 8 5 0.385
Detroit 4 8 0.333
Boston 5 10 0.333
Orlando 4 8 0.333
Cleveland 4 10 0.286
New York 3 9 0.250
Brooklyn 3 9 0.250
Milwaukee 2 10 0.167
Knicks and Nets doesn't have any picks for next thousand years, so they are not tanking
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Old 11-24-2013, 12:14 PM   #132 (permalink)
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Knicks and Nets doesn't have any picks for next thousand years, so they are not tanking
haha you're right. They sold the farm and their tank strength is unintentional. For them, the question will be....will the egg on their faces make them buyers or sellers if they stay inept.
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Old 11-24-2013, 01:34 PM   #133 (permalink)
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Yeah, and Chicago got Rose with the 9th pick. Indiana got Paul George at 10. At this point, whether we trade Gay or even other pieces come December 15th, I think so many teams are in the dumps that it's not worth full on tanking anymore. Ride out this season and play for home court for once. Wouldn't it be nice to win a playoff series?
rose was 1st, and george was one of those rare exceptions. I'm mixed on this matter, on one hand I would like us to be decent even if we don't win a title, that would make me happy obviously. But I also know I will be so depressed to see at least one team among the ones that are tanking now that will be better than us in 3 years BECAUSE they tanked this season.

after all, it's not like we're guaranteed to win 50 games with this core, regardless of MU's skill. We can still lose lowry and gay and then we'll have to replace them with a little bit of cash - not sure how that will be possible.

And even with the struggles in the east, I doubt we'll be more than a 6th, 7th seed. Chicago kicked our ass badly without rose and BKN and NYK will get better as the season goes along. We'll still be in a dog fight for a playoff spot as predicted before the season.
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You'd think this would be obvious, yet people keep mentioning the exceptions....gems found late. Anyone can blow out a knee a week after they are drafted, but Lebrons, Durants, Wades, Hardens, etc still tend to be picked early.

12th spot must be the cursed pick.

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That's not how I remember it...


Also, When it's mid-March and playoff teams have their shit together chemistry-wise and the trade deadline has passed, and this team is steadily dropping out of the playoffs, I don't think a series win will be in anyone's mind.
The Knicks are going to keep slumming until they get Chandler back, Rose is basically out the rest of the year, and who knows how long the Nets' struggles/injuries will last. In an eastern conference where the most reliable third seed team is either the Rose-less Bulls or the Atlanta Hawks, a little overachieving could very well mean home court. I'd certainly be disappointed though, if we ended the season or passed the deadline without moving Lowry/Gay or re-signing them. That or if making the playoffs somehow convinced Ujiri to give Casey another contract, but I have to hope Masai isn't that stupid or we're screwed anyways.
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The Knicks are going to keep slumming until they get Chandler back, Rose is basically out the rest of the year, and who knows how long the Nets' struggles/injuries will last. In an eastern conference where the most reliable third seed team is either the Rose-less Bulls or the Atlanta Hawks, a little overachieving could very well mean home court. I'd certainly be disappointed though, if we ended the season or passed the deadline without moving Lowry/Gay or re-signing them. That or if making the playoffs somehow convinced Ujiri to give Casey another contract, but I have to hope Masai isn't that stupid or we're screwed anyways.
I think the knicks will struggle until they move Bargnani to the bench actually, he's killing them at both ends ...
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Old 11-24-2013, 04:26 PM   #138 (permalink)
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Playoffs or Tank? Would say tank, but we are first in the atlantic division.
But I really want a franchise changing player from this draft... would be nice if you could pick a franchise guy in the 15-20 range...
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Playoffs or Tank? Would say tank, but we are first in the atlantic division.
But I really want a franchise changing player from this draft... would be nice if you could pick a franchise guy in the 15-20 range...
1st in the atlantic with a 6-7 record. Still plenty of games to play, plenty of injuries to occur, plenty of stuff to happen. Also, not to mention, the other atlantic teams next season won't improve at all - only the raps will improve

15-20 = maybe, maybe a starter
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