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Old 03-09-2011, 10:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Just curious, how the hell did you guys manage to put up with Bosh for all those years?!

Damn, the way he was being talked about in the Off Season, I really believed that he was better than Amare, but with each and every game I'm starting to believe that his stats were inflated in Toronto due to the up tempo play style.

I knew in the off season that he was soft but I did not think it would be that bad. He went to the paint ZERO times against Portland (Which is ironic, since he says after every loss that the Heat need to be more aggressive and yet he's nowhere to be seen in the paint), and During the 2nd bulls game despite the fact that he shot 1-18 in that game it was all on settling for jump shots. And the few times he does attack the basket, he tried to do his layups AROUND his opponent to avoid contact.

So again, I knew he was soft, but has it always been THIS bad??
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Old 03-09-2011, 10:51 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Well, I think he's holding that piece of shit team of yours together to be honest, but yes, he's a bit soft.

Problem in Miami ain't bosh, it's the problem I )(pat myself on the back) predicted, as the season goes on, Wade and Lebron are quietly having a power struggle. They ignore Bosh completely which is insane.

If they ran the ball through him more at the High post they would be deadly with the options it would open up.

But nope.

Iso's for the super stars, all night long.

Boston is gonna hand these guys their gitch in the playoffs.
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Old 03-09-2011, 11:02 AM   #3 (permalink)
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the media fuels it too. its always about lebron and wade. Bosh is considered a nobody. so if the two stars are fighting for the balls, why would they give it to a nobody?

bosh wanted media attention.. well i think he got way more in toronto. he was the man here... that being said, i'm sure Bosh was the locker room cry baby, thought i'm sure everyone thinks that already
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Old 03-09-2011, 11:10 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I wonder if we could get him back for Calderon and bargnani?????

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I wonder if we could get him back for Calderon and bargnani?????

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13 and 5? I think we should offer Jose and ask for a pick too.
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Old 03-09-2011, 11:14 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Boston will or New York will cream miami.

I hope Lebron never wins a championship.
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Old 03-09-2011, 11:15 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Yup..

He's soft, he's never been a inside guy...

He gets the ball at the elbow top of the key holds it and either shoots a jumper 70 % of the time or drives in to draw a foul... The problem is all he's doing in Miami is setting picks and Miami's going ISO on majority of there offensive plays...

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Old 03-09-2011, 11:19 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I wonder if we could get him back for Calderon and bargnani?????

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Why? Bargnani is softer then Bosh. Can imagine Bargnnani camping out 22ft from the basket on that team and pulling down 4-5 boards a night. That would be ugly. Lol
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Old 03-09-2011, 11:20 AM   #9 (permalink)
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He is also good for a cry or two...
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What Miami needs is Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose. And 4 more balls.
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On a more serious note - I truly believe that Miami has one star too many and, since Wade is a native, that star is James. Trade him to us for Weems and Wright and both teams will improve dramatically.
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Old 03-09-2011, 11:32 AM   #12 (permalink)
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He's soft and doesn't D up. I predicted that Miami won't win, they will figure out they need some inside presence and better rebounding to win...and Bosh will be traded out of town before 2 years. Because they won't trade Wade or Lebron...and they are going to need a scapegoat.

Seems that's already started. Who the fuck is Bosh's agent and why didn't he figure that out. The guy should be fired.
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Old 03-09-2011, 11:42 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Boston will or New York will cream miami.

I hope Lebron never wins a championship.
I don't understand why people are so sold on New York. LeBron and Wade are two guys known for facilitating ball movement and making guys around them better. Carmelo and Amare are not. Why is everyone so convinced it's going to work out between them? If it can't work between two of the best passing wings in the game, I don't see how it will work between two ball stoppers.
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I hope Lebron never wins a championship.
Me too. I've never had so much fun routing against one player. I used to love watching Lebron play...now I only love watching him lose.

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I don't understand why people are so sold on New York. LeBron and Wade are two guys known for facilitating ball movement and making guys around them better. Carmelo and Amare are not. Why is everyone so convinced it's going to work out between them? If it can't work between two of the best passing wings in the game, I don't see how it will work between two ball stoppers.
It doesn't matter what they are "known for" - the fact of the matter is this: so far this season Wade and LeBron haven't figured out how to play off each other in the half-court. And since both are very much used to be the facilitator with the ball in their hands, something's got to give, essentially diminishing one of them in terms of something they are good at - and that's not an easy thing to do. Perhaps Riley should talk Krzyzewski into taking over the Heat...
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Well, I think he's holding that piece of shit team of yours together to be honest, but yes, he's a bit soft.

Problem in Miami ain't bosh, it's the problem I )(pat myself on the back) predicted, as the season goes on, Wade and Lebron are quietly having a power struggle. They ignore Bosh completely which is insane.

If they ran the ball through him more at the High post they would be deadly with the options it would open up.

But nope.

Iso's for the super stars, all night long.

Boston is gonna hand these guys their gitch in the playoffs.
No, Bosh isn't the only reason why the Heat are struggling, but he is definately one of the main reasons.

And Bosh is definately not holding that team together. Wade and Lebron do the majority of the work almost every night because Bosh and the bench rarely show up. The reason why Bosh doesnt get as much field goal attempts is because of the fact that he refuses to be aggressive, and constantly gets bullied by other PFs and Centers.

A 6'11 Power Foward that prefers to take jumpers does not translate well in the playoffs. Which is one of the many reasons why almost nobody respects Bosh.

Look at all of the articles this year we have seen posted about Bosh being soft and the Big 2.5.

Obviously we have seen some of what his peers thoughts are: Shaquille O'Neal, Stan Van Gundy, Kevin Durant, Amar'e Stoudemire and Bryan Colangelo.

Chris Bosh doesn't command respect. When you make comments like "I just wanna chill" and "Guys shouldn't hustle" and shit like that, you don't deserve respect.

I myself as a fan could never respect a player that doesn't like to play with heart and that criticizes another player for playing with hustle. I can understand why some Raptors fans refer to him as a coward and a quitter. He had to milk an injury simply because he didn't feel like playing anymore and just wanted to move on to the next season and get his paycheck. He really showed how much of a coward he was with that move and showed that he has no passion for the game at all. In addition to the fact that he's afraid to go to the paint and doesn't even jump for rebounds.

And for some reason I also get the feeling that Lebron himself doesn't even respect Bosh. It's just a feeling I have for some reason.
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It doesn't matter what they are "known for" - the fact of the matter is this: so far this season Wade and LeBron haven't figured out how to play off each other in the half-court. And since both are very much used to be the facilitator with the ball in their hands, something's got to give, essentially diminishing one of them in terms of something they are good at - and that's not an easy thing to do. Perhaps Riley should talk Krzyzewski into taking over the Heat...
well yeah, that's exactly what i'm saying. you've got two of the game's best facilitators and they can't figure it out, why are people so certain that it's going to work between two ball-stoppers in new york? they've been equally as up and down. who knows, maybe d'antoni willl have a better system in place to make it work. these dudes are in their prime though, they have fairly well-established habits, and i just don't see anything changing. i believe them when they say they want to make it work, and sacrifice for the greater good of the team, but old habits die hard.
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When Bosh went to Miami, I thought that was a sure winner. When LBJ joined, I thought it would turn out exactly how it is now.

As my man, SJ put it, "Wade and Lebron are quietly having a power struggle"

And the biggest mistake is yet to be made. They will trade Bosh before one of the ball hogs. This isnt bottom yet.
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Old 03-09-2011, 12:02 PM   #19 (permalink)
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People really want to believe Lebron and Wade don't work.

We're talking about a team that was 41-16 a few weeks ago. 41-21 isn't to shabby. Of course it isn't working in the midst of a 5 game losing streak.

The problem really isn't those two at all. They actually have a good feel for eachother, Lebron posts and Wade is always sneaking into the russian spot or cutting after the first pass. They keep it simple and when they're playing well it works for them.

Nobody is going to bet their house on the Heat losing to anybody in the playoffs. The Heat aren't going to be intimidated by anybody either. Losing 3-0 to the Bulls in the regular season means nothing to Lebron and Wade once the ball is thrown up in a 7 game series. They still believe they're the best in the league and they'll play that way.
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People really want to believe Lebron and Wade don't work.

We're talking about a team that was 41-16 a few weeks ago. 41-21 isn't to shabby. Of course it isn't working in the midst of a 5 game losing streak.

The problem really isn't those two at all. They actually have a good feel for eachother, Lebron posts and Wade is always sneaking into the russian spot or cutting after the first pass. They keep it simple and when they're playing well it works for them.

Nobody is going to bet their house on the Heat losing to anybody in the playoffs. The Heat aren't going to be intimidated by anybody either. Losing 3-0 to the Bulls in the regular season means nothing to Lebron and Wade once the ball is thrown up in a 7 game series. They still believe they're the best in the league and they'll play that way.
You don't think at some point these guys start to doubt that they're really as good as the NBA hype machine told us they were? If it doesn't get better soon, the pressure could get very ugly.

LBJ and Wade have the ability to rise up like you suggest, but they're no longer getting the exorbitant star calls they routinely did on their previous teams because they're going up against teams in their conference that also have several stars each. It's alot harder to win competitive games without those calls.... and they're finding that out now.
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