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Old 01-11-2011, 02:21 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I would agree with Mike while adding that guys like Davis, Derozan, and anyone that wants to play defense, like Dorsey or Wright, should get lots of experience and playing time.
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Old 01-11-2011, 02:27 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I would agree with Mike while adding that guys like Davis, Derozan, and anyone that wants to play defense, like Dorsey or Wright, should get lots of experience and playing time.
I agree with this.... Bargnani, Davis, Wright, Bayless, DD... all these guys need playing time to continue their defensive develpoment.
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Old 01-11-2011, 03:00 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Everything in bold was supposed to be taken with the grain of salt... or two...
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Old 01-11-2011, 03:01 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I would agree with Mike while adding that guys like Davis, Derozan, and anyone that wants to play defense, like Dorsey or Wright, should get lots of experience and playing time.
Sure, for as long as they a). lose and b). understand that it's necessary.
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Old 01-11-2011, 05:09 PM   #45 (permalink)
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We have to look at the bigger picture. If we make the playoffs, it's because DeMar and Andrea are having good seasons. That's what we want...internal development.

I just doubt it will happen since we have the worst defence in the league.

Exactly. Even though we're kinda shitty, I actually like the Raptors' roster a lot right now. The defensive inconsistency (OK, it's pretty consistently bad) is infuriating, but we are a young team still with lots of new guys playing together. The defensive juggernauts are all established teams with several years playing with one another.


If we make the playoffs it will be on the backs of Bargnani and DeRozan - two guys we NEED to take it to the next level if this team will be any good anyways. I'd rather those two guys make the leap to 20+ppg and 15+ppg guys this year and take their lumps in the playoffs. It will motivate them to get better in the summer.

DeRozan is going to probably be really good; he's on the right track to be a 20+ppg guy nightly. Not to get all giddy, but Bargs has 25+ppg potential; he's starting to show his Dirk-esque potential.

We have a solid roster with lots of role players, even if we're too young to do any damage right now. We have plenty of room for internal growth in DeRozan, Davis, Bayless and even Amir Johnson (and Sonny Weems if he ever gets healthy!). And we have nice, replaceable cogs in Barbosa, Kleiza and - let's not forget - Peja. If we are flirting with the playoffs then hopefully we can activate Peja and make him play through his "sore knee" for 10-15 minutes a night to drop a couple of treys (like we did with old Dell Curry back in the day).
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Old 01-11-2011, 05:24 PM   #46 (permalink)
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If we are flirting with the playoffs then hopefully we can activate Peja and make him play through his "sore knee" for 10-15 minutes a night to drop a couple of treys (like we did with old Dell Curry back in the day).
OK, so suppose Raps are making the playoffs (far-fetched right now, but let's). What then? Do you really foresee them putting up any significant resistance against a team like Miami or Boston? 'Cause to me, this has "sweep" written all-over it - and what then? Middle-of-the-pack pick, perhaps twice in a row?

No amount of internal development can substitute an infusion of top-rate talent, and the only way for our team to get that is to draft such talent - this has been established beyond a shadow of a doubt by now. As such, and especially at this stage of their continuous re-building process, the Raps would be ill-served by any finish out of the lottery and could really, really benefit by finishing in the bottom three.
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OK, so suppose Raps are making the playoffs (far-fetched right now, but let's). What then? Do you really foresee them putting up any significant resistance against a team like Miami or Boston? 'Cause to me, this has "sweep" written all-over it - and what then? Middle-of-the-pack pick, perhaps twice in a row?

No amount of internal development can substitute an infusion of top-rate talent, and the only way for our team to get that is to draft such talent - this has been established beyond a shadow of a doubt by now. As such, and especially at this stage of their continuous re-building process, the Raps would be ill-served by any finish out of the lottery and could really, really benefit by finishing in the bottom three.
It's also been established that lotto picks can flake out too....

no sweep is guaranteed. Winning breeds winning. Let's not be the Expos of basketball.
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Old 01-11-2011, 06:20 PM   #48 (permalink)
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In only this instance, I could care less about the playoffs. A sweep in the playoffs would be putting it mildly.

We want the young guys to try and from that, the chips will fall where they may. A great player from the draft is not a sure thing, but playing yourself out of a lottery spot is a sure thing that you are not going to get a great young player. It's just not in our control. I just can't stress how much it would stink to end up 9th in the east.

And I wish Sonny were playing so that we could find out more what he could become. Playing like you personally have something to prove instead of more team oriented can be corrected. Once it is, we can see how he fits in.

Good signs for Davis though in that he is not out there just trying to get his stats. He doesn't shoot much, just likes to disrupt and do dirty work.
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Old 01-11-2011, 06:23 PM   #49 (permalink)
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In only this instance, I could care less about the playoffs. A sweep in the playoffs would be putting it mildly.

We want the young guys to try and from that, the chips will fall where they may. A great player from the draft is not a sure thing, but playing yourself out of a lottery spot is a sure thing that you are not going to get a great young player. It's just not in our control. I just can't stress how much it would stink to end up 9th in the east.

And I wish Sonny were playing so that we could find out more what he could become. Playing like you personally have something to prove instead of more team oriented can be corrected. Once it is, we can see how he fits in.

Good signs for Davis though in that he is not out there just trying to get his stats. He doesn't shoot much, just likes to disrupt and do dirty work.
agree with all of this.... it is very nice to see how Davis operates.
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Old 01-11-2011, 08:59 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Getting whipped in the playoffs teaches these guys what the goal is. If they think it's hard to win vs Boston on a Friday night, they have no idea. Your game has to be good enough that even if the other team gameplans for you night in and night out, you need to fight through and still perform. And usually since it's harder to score, you end up making the difference on the defensive end.
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Old 01-12-2011, 08:31 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Getting to the playoffs would be great. It would shock everyone in the NBA. Remember we were supposed to be in the bottom on the East. Gaining that experience would increase their confidence and game and also get the players hungry. More fans would probably come out and maybe more players would want to come to Toronto if the Raps made it to the playoffs.
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Old 01-15-2011, 10:29 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Old 01-15-2011, 10:56 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Old 01-15-2011, 11:24 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Every loss is a victory.
Yes, good to know it's not just losing for no particular future gain like the Leafs.
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