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Old 07-10-2010, 11:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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This post is not solely intended to cheer anyone up, but if this happens anyway, don't hesitate to smile.

I am happy we lost Bosh the way we did. Not because I hate him as a player, not because I think he betrayed us, not because I am going to boo him from now on at every opportunity, but because clear, cold logic dictates this emotion, as absurd as it sounds.

We were going nowhere with Bosh as our centerpiece. Even if he didn't essentially quit on us after the All-Star Game (yes, I am pretty sure the triumvirate commitments were firmly made then and there), we were at best a first-round fodder for the playoffs this season, just like we were at the best of times with Bosh. What would that have achieved? Well, we wouldn't have been in a position to draft Ed Davis, let me tell you.

As it is, Bosh has left us with the ability to get a really good wing player via free agency or otherwise using that TPE and provided us with our own pick and the best (the earliest) of future Miami first-rounders. Bargnani, Amir and Davis have enough talent among them to make us forget about Bosh's contributions defensively and on the boards (I absolutely, firmly believe that) while them and the rest of the team will take care of the points scored that have been lost. If Colangelo has a good summer (and by God, he is due for one), the loss will be completely negated come October.

Another great benefit for us is the official realization that we don't have a franchise player any longer. For years, ever since VC departed, the Raps felt compelled to burden a single player with that assignment whether he deserved it or not. Bosh tried his best and failed and now will be happy in Miami while ##3 and 6 figure out which one of them has the longest dick. Here in Toronto, meanwhile, a team can be built without the need to provide any particular player with enough touches and without the need to coddle that player, make him part of the management decisions, and so on, and so forth. If, in the future, they luck into drafting the next Kobe or LeBron, we will re-visit this issue, but for now I am more than happy to watch a team that doesn't have the "feed it to Bosh and watch" play in its playbook.

And, finally, the "misery loves company" argument. Look at Cleveland. Look closer. Look harder. I am not asking you to rejoice at someone else's misfortune, but rather to commiserate with LeBron's hometown fans. Replacing Bosh vs. replacing LeBron! What will the loss of Bosh do to the Raps? At the absolute worse, we will go from a 40 wins team to a 30 wins team and get a better pick before the lockout. If Colangelo plays his cards right, we might stay at the same level or even squeak into the playoffs - remember, we weren't exactly going places with Bosh either. Cleveland, on the other hand, no matter what Ms. Gilbert has written in her teary pledge, are in a very real danger of going from 60+ wins and serious contention right to the lottery and hopelessness. The higher you climb, the harder you fall...

All in all - there are good things to be found in this situation. I want all of you to at least look at what happened from my perspective and let BC finish his re-tooling. By the start of the training camp, you will feel much, much better, I promise.
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Old 07-10-2010, 11:51 AM   #2 (permalink)
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+100000 I agree with all you said with the exception of the he's due for a good summer comment. I think he's had a couple good summers here, his first in 06 and last summer imo.
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Old 07-10-2010, 11:53 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Well, Jeff, his last two were good on surface, but quickly turned somewhat worse in retrospect, due to various circumstances.
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Old 07-10-2010, 11:57 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Nice post, I agree Mike.

I think deep down we all knew Bosh was leaving, we all knew he couldn't be "the man" per se, so while it still stings a little bit from the band-aid being ripped off, the healing has begun.

I'm excited for the team to move in a different direction and I'm excited to watch our young guys grow even if there currently might not be a guy amongst them who's "the man" .
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I think we have some really attractive (not good) pieces we can use at the trade deadline.
Expirings + TPE = good player from badly hurt financial team (NO? )
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As for the "waiting to use the TPE until trade deadline" idea - all fine and dandy aside from the looming lockout thingy. If (and that'd be a miracle) they could agree on a new CBA by the All-Star break, teams then could start again planning for the long-term future, otherwise everyone is going to be very nervous about making long-term plans. My feeling is that either BC uses the TPE before the season starts or he might just let it go.
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Old 07-10-2010, 12:10 PM   #7 (permalink)
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This post is not solely intended to cheer anyone up, but if this happens anyway, don't hesitate to smile.

I am happy we lost Bosh the way we did. Not because I hate him as a player, not because I think he betrayed us, not because I am going to boo him from now on at every opportunity, but because clear, cold logic dictates this emotion, as absurd as it sounds.

We were going nowhere with Bosh as our centerpiece. Even if he didn't essentially quit on us after the All-Star Game (yes, I am pretty sure the triumvirate commitments were firmly made then and there), we were at best a first-round fodder for the playoffs this season, just like we were at the best of times with Bosh. What would that have achieved? Well, we wouldn't have been in a position to draft Ed Davis, let me tell you.

As it is, Bosh has left us with the ability to get a really good wing player via free agency or otherwise using that TPE and provided us with our own pick and the best (the earliest) of future Miami first-rounders. Bargnani, Amir and Davis have enough talent among them to make us forget about Bosh's contributions defensively and on the boards (I absolutely, firmly believe that) while them and the rest of the team will take care of the points scored that have been lost. If Colangelo has a good summer (and by God, he is due for one), the loss will be completely negated come October.

Another great benefit for us is the official realization that we don't have a franchise player any longer. For years, ever since VC departed, the Raps felt compelled to burden a single player with that assignment whether he deserved it or not. Bosh tried his best and failed and now will be happy in Miami while ##3 and 6 figure out which one of them has the longest dick. Here in Toronto, meanwhile, a team can be built without the need to provide any particular player with enough touches and without the need to coddle that player, make him part of the management decisions, and so on, and so forth. If, in the future, they luck into drafting the next Kobe or LeBron, we will re-visit this issue, but for now I am more than happy to watch a team that doesn't have the "feed it to Bosh and watch" play in its playbook.

And, finally, the "misery loves company" argument. Look at Cleveland. Look closer. Look harder. I am not asking you to rejoice at someone else's misfortune, but rather to commiserate with LeBron's hometown fans. Replacing Bosh vs. replacing LeBron! What will the loss of Bosh do to the Raps? At the absolute worse, we will go from a 40 wins team to a 30 wins team and get a better pick before the lockout. If Colangelo plays his cards right, we might stay at the same level or even squeak into the playoffs - remember, we weren't exactly going places with Bosh either. Cleveland, on the other hand, no matter what Ms. Gilbert has written in her teary pledge, are in a very real danger of going from 60+ wins and serious contention right to the lottery and hopelessness. The higher you climb, the harder you fall...

All in all - there are good things to be found in this situation. I want all of you to at least look at what happened from my perspective and let BC finish his re-tooling. By the start of the training camp, you will feel much, much better, I promise.
you sir: are awesome. =)

see guys..i'm thinking. we don't really need an all-star do we? i'm thinking of how DET overcame LAL back then even with their 4 all-stars. perhaps, we could have solid-consistent guys (starters and reserves alike) like they did. BC just has to play his cards right in order to piece this band together.
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he could use the TPE for something small
for example Rubio (or another young player) for a pick
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Old 07-10-2010, 12:13 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Oddly enough, if Triano can use this "no-franchise guy" properly, the teammay actually start to play well.

As Chuck Said "they gonna suck".

For sure.

But it isn't hopeless, and they can quickly rebound.

Do we honestly believe that Chris Effin Bosh is better than any other guy out there you could sign with that big ass trade exemption?

Fuck that, he could trade for Chris paul.
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Old 07-10-2010, 12:15 PM   #10 (permalink)
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because NOLA is giving away CP3
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I'm using his name as a reference to the fact that Bosh is not irreplaceable you effin Jackal!

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Well, Jeff, his last two were good on surface, but quickly turned somewhat worse in retrospect, due to various circumstances.
True enough. Just saying, Derozan, Amir, Weems, Jack are players we currently have that were had last summer that have talent and as inconsistent Beli was, he was still a steal for George. Just saying, I like what he did last summer.
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because NOLA is giving away CP3
He's going to have to at some point.
CP3 already said he wanted a winning team NOW, and NO is looking to save money.
It does make sense eventually.
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Old 07-10-2010, 12:38 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I wouldn't hold my breath for Paul - Raps obviously do not constitute a winning team at the moment.

As for building a contender "Detroit style" - IMHO, their championship was a fluke that only re-enforces the rule of "one of the league's best plus another All-Star". Just look at the past, I dunno, 30 years? If Shaq and Kobe weren't at such odds in 2003...

Regardless, at the moment we do not have an elite player and we probably won't have any All-Stars next season and it's absolutely fine with me. We could still have a team that's pleasure to watch and root for. If/when we draft or otherwise obtain a player actually worthy of a "franchise" moniker, we could seriously start talking about contending. Until such time - give me a team that leaves it on the floor at both ends every night and I will be a happy camper.
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He's going to have to at some point.
CP3 already said he wanted a winning team NOW, and NO is looking to save money.
It does make sense eventually.
He wants to win now... so why would he come to Toronto

Even with CP3 were not winning a championship... not right now anyway...

Although i guess he doesnt dictate where the hornets would trade him.
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I'm with ya, Mike.

All this stuff could be positive. Our team needs a kick in the ass, and they have to work hard and WANT to win. Without Bosh being... well, Bosh-like... the other guys will have a chance to shine if they work hard enough.

I'm excited for a Boss-less team.
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Old 07-10-2010, 12:55 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I agree with your post. This new direction we are heading in is exciting and I don't think we'll see an enormous drop off by losing Bosh. This will provide the team with an opportunity to have someone else step up and be the man.

A couple of concerns I have is, how much of an impact will Turkoglu really have this year if he's still here? Who of our PG's are getting traded (one must go, I feel)? Will amir be able to take the next step (offence wise and foul trouble wise)? and will Bargs step up his consistency at both ends of the floor? and will Kleiza fold up kind of like Kapono, when the pressure is on?

There are a lot of questions to be answered, I just hope they're answered correctly in our attempt to move forward.
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I will try to answer one question I can answer - Kleiza is not Kapono. The only things those two have in common are height, skin colour and the first letter of their last names.

Kleiza is a gritty, tough player who has never been afraid to mix it up, whether on the perimeter or down low, at both ends of the floor. Think of him as Garbajosa rather than Kapono, if you absolutely must compare him to a player we've had in the past.

As for the rest of your questions - it's up to BC now. I feel that he will try to move Hedo because of those negative comments and some bitter feelings that no doubt still linger, but in a more spread offence Hedo might perform better if he stays. As far as trades and such - obviously, especially armed with the TPE, BC could go in a lot of different directions, so I'd wait patiently for the camp to start before we have a better idea about the final makeup of the 2010-11 team.

My personal biggest worry is how many of our players will take part in the Worlds (Turk, Calderon, Kleiza could be there) and how much toll it takes on them.
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Nice post Mike.
Your second point reminded me of a piece that The Score did on former Raptor franchise players. It didn't get us anywhere notable and I've always found it a distraction from the idea of a team game.
I'm not so convinced that we'll lose the "feed it to X" plays though. We still have Hedo, and Triano seemed keen to get the ball in his hands for the gamebreaking last play of the game.
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I like the idea of having no franchise guy, as I think it's a bogus concept. I do think you need to have two consistent big scoring threats, or barring that, a point guard that creates easy opportunities for himself as well as others, and as far as I can see, we have a long way to go there. Without that you're stuck with individual players taking on too big of a role. Add to that the fact that all the guys expected to work hard every night, and actually play on both ends of the court, had their minutes severely limited last season. Will that change? Will the deadweight be removed without more deadweight coming back?

And I hate the Garbajosa comparison. Kleiza couldn't carry Jorge's jock, especially on the defensive end.

I hope to see a complete change of culture, and if I do I'll be on board. But I'm not buying into anything until I see it. I think we've been sold on too much second-rate hope time after time. I have spent good money on supporting this team in the past. I'm not going to spend a dime to help Colangelo cover his ass right now, until he shows me something. And I need to see how the team reacts to sucking. Things could get very messy. Sign me up as doubter, and before a pre-season game even.
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