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Old 11-26-2009, 03:02 PM   #161 (permalink)
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Banks - woohoo! Pops got lots of burn. Boy that was ugly. Why were we supposed to be excited about him coming back again?
he's supposed to be an "energy" guy
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Old 11-26-2009, 03:04 PM   #162 (permalink)
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C.... the Raps aren't the only team that has to go through this.

Take a look at the Blazers and the Hawks' rosters. They're just as young if not younger. And they haven't had any problems with B2Bs. And you could easily argue that they don't have that much more talent than we do.

If I were Triano I would have sent a msg to the starters last night in the 3rd Q and yanked all 5 of them for the rest of the game. If they're too tired to play then they may as well sit on the bench and let guys Banks and Rasho ,who BARELY get to play, get some burn.
You're not getting my point.

My point is that neither of those teams have had to travel as much as we have had to. We've travelled from the West to the East, back to the West, then east, then Central and then to the East. All in a short time span (less than what a month?). I'd LOVE to see Atlanta have our schedule right now or the Blazers. I guarantee they'd look sluggish.
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Old 11-26-2009, 03:09 PM   #163 (permalink)
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You're not getting my point.

My point is that neither of those teams have had to travel as much as we have had to. We've travelled from the West to the East, back to the West, then east, then Central and then to the East. All in a short time span (less than what a month?). I'd LOVE to see Atlanta have our schedule right now or the Blazers. I guarantee they'd look sluggish.
Your point is something that can't be debated until the end of the season when the schedules are all at least equally as difficult to an extent.

I'll still say that the Raptors first stretch showed some dissapointment. Having a losing record and letting certain senarious happen (ie. Lettling Armstrong and Reddick torch you, losing to Memphis) makes one feel the team might be more to just below average rather than slightly above average.

What I'm saying is the team godda put up another website ... string 3 in a row sometime soon please.
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Old 11-26-2009, 03:17 PM   #164 (permalink)
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Charlotte didn't outwork anybody. When did you see them work ToRAps? When they had to at all early on, they didn't look like they could pull off a win. Then they found themselves with the luxury of not needing to work.

Energy constraints are a problem with this team. So should they be running their asses off at any point of any game on a back to back? Or are they going to reach a point where they find themselves in better condition? I think that when the schedule eases up a bit, they are going to have a better time of these things. And the NBA should not treat paying customers to such a poor quality product. It really does undermine the whole league's credibility for me.
I guess that I consider "work" running the floor, causing TO's, hitting the glass, blocking shots..... all things that I saw from the 'cats for most of the game (but particularly in the 2nd half).

Watching Gerald Wallace charge coast-to-coast for open dunks on MULTIPLE occasions was just nauseating.... and it's just not something that should ever happen.

If you really want to push this "tired" issue I could swallow it from guys like Bosh and Jose and perhaps Hedo (who's still coming back from an injury).... but the bench guys who might play 10-20 min/gm? Is there really any reason for these guys to be gassed?

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Old 11-26-2009, 05:58 PM   #165 (permalink)
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I guess until Reggie gets back and teaches these guys what playing with energy on defence actually looks like, we will continue to look incompetent on that end of the floor. Wright has to finally get healthy also, because to this point he's been only half the player he was last year and a bigger disappointment than Jack ever was.
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Old 11-26-2009, 07:27 PM   #166 (permalink)
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I guess that I consider "work" running the floor, causing TO's, hitting the glass, blocking shots..... all things that I saw from the 'cats for most of the game (but particularly in the 2nd half).

Watching Gerald Wallace charge coast-to-coast for open dunks on MULTIPLE occasions was just nauseating.... and it's just not something that should ever happen.

If you really want to push this "tired" issue I could swallow it from guys like Bosh and Jose and perhaps Hedo (who's still coming back from an injury).... but the bench guys who might play 10-20 min/gm? Is there really any reason for these guys to be gassed?
it was the starters who killed the game, at the end of the 2nd quarter and beginning of the 3rd, with turnovers and missed shots. The bench guys just played poorly (jack and marco, amir was very good), they didn't make errors.

keep in mind that no matter how rested you are, at least 14 points they scored on turnovers after bad passes on the perimeter (including 6 in a row at the end of 2nd). It is IMPOSSIBLE for any athlete in the nba to catch another athletic guy who has a head start of 1+ seconds. Once they steal the ball and start running, by the time you turn he's already 10 ft ahead of you and is running.
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Old 11-26-2009, 08:14 PM   #167 (permalink)
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What he brings in terms of in-the-paint offense, rebounding and leadership would make up for his defensive deficiencies. He's not great.. but far from horrible on that end. And he's lead WAS to the playoffs for a few years now. Won 6th man of the year in DAL too. And several coaches have said that he's incredibly professional. Doesn't take games off. Always gives it his all. He's the most important piece of that Wizards team.
not lately, he didn't ... all he led them last year was to 15 wins and I don't think there was any hint of leadership. Hedu led orlando to the finals - he wasn't their best player, but he was their unquestionable leader. In any case, I would argue that our problem right now is defense, and the only question is can this group play better defense or not. Offense is taken care of ...

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He wanted the money that Hedo & Bargs got. Can you honestly tell me that they deserve it more than he does at this point?
yes, and emphatically so. Even if the real question is if he deserves the same money next year, and the years after, this season alone, marion is not playing well, and if that's a result of his decline in physical abilites, dallas will pay dearly for committing eddy curry money in a useless player for at least 3 years, if not 4.

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Golden State beat Dallas with SIX players and no head coach. 3 guys played all 48 min.
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It had nothing to do with fatigue... They just didn't give a shit. And it showed.
what you are saying flies in the face of logix, as it contradicts the reality on the floor. Teams that don't give a shit don't have 40+ rebounds and hold the opponent to 43% from the field. They don't work hard for one half, and than suddenly decide they don't give a shit anymore. And only tired players throw passes like that, and have all the shots hit the front of the rim. The fact that they were tired is not debatable - it was obvious to anybody who had eyes and watched the game.

If you want to argue whether they should be tired or not, that's a different discussion where you might have a shot at making your point. I always thought one of our major weaknesses is physical condition, which is I why I liked when I heard Colangelo talking about this exact thing this summer. SO far I can't say I've seen a huge improvement, but it's too early to draw any legitimate conclusions.
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. Hedu led orlando to the finals - he wasn't their best player, but he was their unquestionable leader..
hold on a second, really??? Unquestionable???

Like no doubt about it, his former teammates and coaches would agree with that statement???
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